June 2002 Message Board

Jun 1, 2002 - 01:19 - From: Dave M.
Title: AP kit pictures
Message: After unpacking everything, the kit looks great. BIG (heavy) rotors and impressive calipers. The calipers are much lighter than I thought, however. The aluminum bells are gorgeous. In the pics I've got them sitting on top of the rotor, but they assemble from behind. All in all the total weight is probably a bit more than stock. As Phil mentioned before with the Hi Spec calipers, pad replacement is a snap. Remove the center rod from the caliper and swap. Should be simple at the track swapping the red/greenstuffs. The pics are under the "Lotus-general" file @ http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/themeyersfamily  There is a second page, too. Also for grins, the "Scooby" folder has a couple shots of us hauling the kayak last weekend. I'll have more shots of the install tomorrow night sometime.

Jun 1, 2002 - 04:08 - From: Rod
Title: SE / S2
Message: S2 is also a little heavier than an SE, due to the bigger wheels, and some extra crash protection. - -- Rod, UK

Jun 1, 2002 - 18:11 - From: Steve P
Title: Review
Message: Found this and thought you may be interested: http://www.caranddriving.com/ucmg_c.asp?maker=LOTUS&id={6B6C7BAD-235D-11D5-A9B0-0050BAA3D8A0}  If the link doesn't work just go to the home page and login as 'guest' ;-)

Jun 1, 2002 - 22:44 - From: Don Ferrario
Title: Re: Cam Angle Sensor
Message: Derrick: The replacement Cam Angle Sensor does have a different number of wires. Lotus supplies an adapter harness to make the electrical connections.

Jun 2, 2002 - 00:59 - From: Brian MDB
Title: AP Brakes
Message: Dave, do you have the component weights of the the AP kit? Without pushing things to the limit, my Wilwood based set-up shaved about 5lbs per side, the stock caliper weighs a 'ton'. It will also be interesting to learn what sort of clearances you have and the AP's caliper and disc's widths. Last weekend we offered-up Doug's wheels to my brake set-up, and we do not even have a 'racing clearance', so I have been re-looking at all the options available, as I originally found there's is virtually no alternative to what I ended up with, and that gives around 1/16" clearance between the disc and wishbone inboard and the same between the caliper and spokes outboard! By the way, I couldn't get to the picture site that you posted. Good luck with the installation.

Jun 2, 2002 - 02:10 - From: Dave M.
Title: brake test fitting
Message: I’ve got some pictures up of the test fitting at the yahoo photos site (see previous link). They do look pretty impressive in pieces, but once they are together-oh, yeah! I have some fitment/clearance issues (with the rotor hat bolts of all things), however I think it’s merely a caliper bracket issue. I’ll get it sorted with BG – it appears to be an easy fix. That or it’s real late and I pulled a real boner with assembly. One side (once I got the stock, Loc-tited caliper mounting bolts off! Used that heat shield breaker bar again…) only took about 15-20 minutes to do. Very slick and very simple. I’ll do a write-up in a bit, but suffice to say no one should be worried about tackling this himself or herself. The brake bleeding afterwards will be more time consuming…

Jun 2, 2002 - 02:29 - From: Dave M.
Title: site link / brakes
Message: Try http://photos.yahoo.com/themeyersfamily sometime tomorrow. I'll check with Yahoo as I couldn't get it to work when I wasn't signed in either...Brian, as for the brakes, I do need to weigh them (no home scale!). I'm guessing near or a touch heavier than stock. The new calipers seem much lighter, but the rotors are bulky. I'll let you know how things go as I sort the clearances. The lower wishbone looks close with this setup, too.

Jun 2, 2002 - 04:31 - From: Dimitris Selas
Title: Turbo Problem
Message: Hi Everybody, Several weeks ago I noticed a slight reduce in my car's performance, but I thought it was only my imagination. Several days ago I found oil spread round the bypass valve. The car seemed to run very well at high RPM, but purely at low ends. Pressure meter on the dash shows about 0,6 at overboost (slightly lower than 0,7 that it should show - I have a manual boost controller installed, at 0,7 bar) and the pressure drops from overboost to normal boost at 0,4-something after a while. I visited my mechanic, who found oil IN the valve as well as in the turbo-filter box pipe. He then loosed the pipe from the turbo an did something with his finger (???) and said that the turbo seems to have been damaged, but not much. He also said that he is quite sure that the intercooler must be damaged too. He should uninstall some pipes and stuff to find out if the intercooler is really damaged. Is that what it seems to be??? I'm not really a rich man, so I already have a major headache. Am I going to have a stroke? In that case, what should I do? Buy new parts or reused? Do you know any online stores in EC (European Community) that sell the parts that I will need? Some say that a repair kit that costs some 70 euros is what it takes to be fine. Is that true? Thank you all.

Jun 2, 2002 - 07:30 - From: Guillermo
Title: Dimitri
Message: I am no expert for turbos at all but I would find a damaged intercooler very very strange, it as an "air-cooled air cooler", what should go wrong ? All that should go wrong are the pipes, or it might be not air-tight, but sound strange to me.

Jun 3, 2002 - 03:44 - From: Richard A Clifton
Title: Oily Water
Message: My engine has now done 212,000 miles and has just encountered its first problem. Inside the radiator header tank cap there is a goo of emulsified oil accumulated and if I stick my finger down into the coolant it emerges covered in blak oil. Can anyone give me an idea of what might cause oil to get into the cooling system. Would it just be a cylinder head gasket or something more serious? If I had water in the oil I would stop driving it immediately but I guess oil in the water is no so bad. Any suggestions anyone?

Jun 3, 2002 - 07:23 - From: Edward
Title: GM Injector part number needed
Message: Do not try to run your Elans on 100% water - they don't like it! Don't ask how it happened, but now I need to replace my injectors. The shop that tested them bad will forego their fee if I order new injectors through them. Can anyone help me with the correct GM part number? 5 hours searching on the net and I'm still at square one. Much thanks. Edward

Jun 3, 2002 - 11:45 - From: Ed
Title: Exhaust and the Turbo...
Message: I've a question for anyone else here who has done the Garrett turbo upgrade. Did the OEM pipe with the O2 sensor fitting fit the exhaust port on the turbo? My exhaust is getting old, the flexible downpipe is starting to rattle a good bit. BTW, did anyone besides Bill make such a system for this car? I thought it was Bill's when I first bought the car but I've since measured it and it is all 2" pipe so I'm sure it's not his. And the final silencer/muffler is of the round variety. Anyway, the reason for the question is that when the current exhaust was put in, they removed the original O2 manifold and precat and replaced them with a single piece of 2" pipe. I'll probably order Bill's system as a replacement but that will leave me missing the section of pipe that goes between the turbo and the precat. So I need to figure out if I can use the stock one or if I'll need to get one custome made.

Jun 3, 2002 - 12:00 - From: robert collins
Title: oily water
Message: Richard - that sounds very similar to my blown head gasket experience. Have you tried running the car (from cold) with the cap off the header tank? I found when the engine got warm and the thermostat opened, exhaust gas frothed up in the coolant.

Jun 3, 2002 - 13:34 - From: Joshua Lawrence
Title: Turbo Problems
Message: Dimitri, Your mechanic was probably checking the turbo shaft for excessive end play. Based on your description, it sounds like you are getting oil blow-by from the turbo, which is a result of having excessive end play or damaged seals. If bearing wear gets bad, the intake wheel can contact the housing, this is very bad as it obviously causes extreme damage to the turbo, and can cause damage to other components should the wheel break. About the intercooler, I really don't see how the two could be related, the only thing that can go "wrong" is if it is punctured, or if there is a large accumulation of oil inside. Ask him specifically why he thinks it must be replaced....they are expensive and it sounds a little flaky to me....it should be simple enough to flush out accumulated oil. FWIW, rebuilt turbos are available from several sources, turbocity.com, turbonetics.com, & Bills should have them. I understand you can get a rebuild kit yourself for ~$150 which would probably solve your problem, but removing the turbo & dissassembling it is no party. Joshua Lawrence

Jun 3, 2002 - 13:55 - From: Joshua Lawrence
Title: Exhaust & the Turbo
Message: Bill, The Garrett T3 "snail" is different than the one on the IHI, so the elbows should not interchange. From what I have read, I know that Black Hole Performance offers a kit as well, it is different than Bill's. Bill's is a full conversion, whereas BHP uses the snail from the original IHI somehow, as it will allow you to use the stock manifold (and I would imagine elbow as well). If you need a T3 elbow, I have an extra one....but I would think that Bill's includes everything you need, it is offered as a fully installed kit. Of course, this is based upon my recent searchings, it isn't like I own both of these kits; so people who have can correct me if I am wrong. Joshua Lawrence

Jun 3, 2002 - 14:15 - From: Doug
Title: Ed's manifold
Message: Ed, I remember noticing your pipe there was different and certainly this is a custom part made to adapt your garret turbo outlet. Bill's system bolts to the OE pre-cat so it won't fit yours the way it is in there now. You need to figure out what exactly you have in there after the turbo. Given the whole exhaust has been redone from at least the turbo itself and beyond, you will likely need to fit a custom system to replace yours after the O2 sensor if you so desire one, as the lengths/angles/etc I don't think will line up with Bill's set-up.

Jun 3, 2002 - 15:33 - From: Ed
Title: More Exhaust
Message: Doug, What I was thinking was to get Bill's system since it is already fit from the precat back and then just have the piece from the turbo outlet to the top of Bill's precat replacement piece made. But that means that whoever fits it needs to be able to put the O2 sensor mount into the new pipe as well. Of course with the general lack of OEM heat shields around there, I'd also like to get that piece done with the ceramic coating like Bill offers for the downpipe piece. But the question will be weather that plus Bill's system is any cheaper than just going to a local specialist and having a full on one-off custom unit built with 2 1/2" pipe. I really want to get rid of the existing pipe coming out of the turbo as whoever did it the first time used 2" pipe and it won't make sense to get a 2.5" setup unless I replace that too.

Jun 3, 2002 - 15:44 - From: Ed
Title: Joshua
Message: I figured they would be different. Also Bill's is only from the precat back. It would normally bolt to the bottom of the "snail" as you call it. Or the bottom of the precat if you are a nice law abiding citizen here in the U.S. Does your extra one include the O2 sensor mount? Where are you at? Guess I could go look in the registry for that...

Jun 3, 2002 - 15:57 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: cost of custom-made exhaust
Message: I will be getting a 2.5" turbo-back exhaust custom-made for my Capri XR2 since no one makes an "off the shelf" performance exhaust for it. I will let you know what it costs as it should be comparable to getting one made for the Elan. Luckily, there is a guy here in Jacksonville named Tracy who is reknowned for his custom one-off exhausts. He has a mandrel-bender in his shop and his welds are first rate.

Jun 3, 2002 - 15:57 - From: Doug
Title: Ed's set-up
Message: Ed, I agree with all you are thinking. You just need to decide on the relative costs. Likely a fabricator will be much more happy making the whole system as the top piece is by far the most complex that you need made anyway. You should get a noticable increase in turbo and overall performance from going up to 2 1/2" pipe as well!

Jun 3, 2002 - 16:23 - From: Tom
Title: High Engine Temp
Message: Can anyone tell me why my radiator fans only kick on when the temp gage reaches 3/4 (Just before "H") tehn they turn off in 30 seconds or so. I replaced the temp sensor, still same problem. Engine temp gage is always on 1/4 while driving, but climbs to 3/4 when stuck in traffic. Any suggestions? Thanks, Tom

Jun 3, 2002 - 16:53 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: Tom
Message: Tom, sorry my friend, but that is the way all Elans work. The thermostat is of a much lower setting than the thermal switch for the fans. Take the thermal switch to an auto parts store and see if they have a lower temp one with the same tread size & pitch, or do like I did on my Triumph TR8 and run a lead from the thermal switch wires to inside the cockpit, and turn the fans on & off at will with a manual switch. It is really nothing to worry about unless your engine is overheating though.

Jun 3, 2002 - 18:10 - From: Doug
Title: engine temp
Message: Tom, I agree with Matthew exactly and wanted to second his info to make you feel better. The temp range on the gauge is pretty small so little temp changes make a big difference in the gauge--this makes us worry more than a gauge with a different range. Think of the 1/4 mark as the middle of most gauges which is normal operating temp. Sit in traffic and it goes up a bit and the fans cycle as needed to cool it. It is possible to get thermostat problems like I had where it won't open all the way which can lead to overheating. If in doubt you can change/renew the t-stat or install one with a touch lower opening temp. If this is the worst quibble with your Elan then you are just fine . . .

Jun 3, 2002 - 20:27 - From: Joshua Lawrence
Title: Exhaust & the Turbo
Message: Ed, (sorry, got my names mixed last time!) I misunderstood part of your post. When you said you were thinking of going with Bill's system, I thought you were speaking of the turbo conversion. So, ignore what I said about it being a "full package..blah...blah." Makes more sense to me now! Yes, the elbow has an O2 fitting. I am in the Chicago area, but I am not 100% sure it would work with your setup, especially since it sounds like there is a question as to what it is exactly :) Anyway, once you get it all sorted out if you need to get one let me know. Joshua Lawrence

Jun 3, 2002 - 20:30 - From: Mars
Title: Boost Gauge Problem (?)
Message: G'day to all you esteemed readers. Recently fitted a Tial dump valve to my Elan and have noticed some erractic behaviour on the boost guage. Firstly, why a Tial? Well, I couldn't get a HKS and the dealer in Oz only had the pipes! He couldn't even tell me when the HKS would be in stock. The guy who sold me the Tial said it was the diaphram type and was better than the piston or spring type. Who cares...I wanted one. Thanks to the great stuff on this site, I was able to instruct the mechanic on how to fit it. Thanks fellas. OK, my problem now is that the boost guage does not show any boost during acceleration in 1st gear, intermittantly shows boost in 2nd gear and is OK 3rd through to 5th. Prior to the dump valve being fitted, boost was registered through all gears. I have checked all the connections and looks OK. I know that the turbo is working as I can hear it and there is no drop in performance. I did notice an increase in performance after fitting the valve, and we all know why. Is there an explanation for this gauge behaviour or is it a symptom of something else (major $$$). Look forward to your feedback. Mars

Jun 3, 2002 - 21:57 - From: Doug
Title: Mars' boost
Message: Mars, G'day and add yourself to the owners' list, mate. Well I can't tell exactly what you mean as you mention performance seems good. IF performance is okay and the only problem is that what you see on the gauge is erratic and doesn't match what you feel then the answer will be that the ground wire to the boost sensor in the engine bay on the right side is a touch loose. This is a common problem and happens to me repeatedly. Tighten the screw (careful not to overtighten into the fibreglass) to that black wire and it should be fine = fixed. On the other hand, if you mean that the performance is erratic as shown on the gauge then it sounds like either a problem with the fittings or the valve working right. Sounds like you checked the fittings so then it could be the valve leaking boost and this would be something to take up with the supplier!

Jun 3, 2002 - 23:53 - From: Doug
Title: AP kit
Message: Dave, checked out your pix of the AP kit. Looks nice, and even better in place. Noticed the pad area looks similar, but I'm sure the larger rotor and hugely improved clamping force are more than enough to make a big difference! Noticed your suspension has had some Michigan weathering as well. How 'bout disassembling and getting new powdercoats or galvanizing (as if you need more suggestions!?

Jun 4, 2002 - 02:38 - From: Dimitris Selas
Title: Engine Temp
Message: Hi everbody... First of all, thx for the tips Guillermo, Joshua Lawrence, and of course Robert Collins. About the Temp Valve, I have already installed a lower temp valve, that operates at 88-90 degrees Celcius, when the OEM operated at about 110. the only side effect of it is that the fans operate too often, since they start at 88-90 and stop at ~83. Nevertheless it seems that the car has no further temp problems and it operates firmly.

Jun 4, 2002 - 02:53 - From: Dimitris Selas
Title: T3/T4 upgrade specs
Message: I wonder if anyone can inform me what are the Elan's specs after the T3/T4 upgrade and where one can make it (and how much it costs). Are there any other upgrades that are not so high-performance but are less expensive?

Jun 4, 2002 - 08:31 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: Dimitris, T3/T4 alternatives
Message: Dimitris, my custom-made multi-port nitrous system cost $1700-USD. It is much simpler in terms of engine-management issues and fabrication than the T3/T4 route, but the downside is that it is not always in use. If it was, you would run through a bottle of nitrous in 2 days! The good thing is, you select when to use it and control it from the cockpit. I have stupified many Camaro & Mustang owners with my little toy, that I could not have before the nitrous. They were more than willing to accept the nod of my head post-defeat; but having the nitrous has taught me they are none too mature after being whupped by a tiny 4-banger.

Jun 4, 2002 - 08:47 - From: Dave M.
Title: upgrades
Message: Yes, the link is now finally working (http://photos.yahoo.com/themeyersfamily) I never did hear from Yahoo what was up. Yes, the suspension is a bit ratty. But, no, I'm not taking anything more off the car this year! ;) Dimitris, the T3/T4 kit can add a great deal of HP to the car, but it depends a LOT on fuel delivery. At max stock fuel pressure (43.5psi), I've calculated my 500cc/min injectors should be good for ~290HP. I'll have dyno numbers later this summer. One of the folks on the Isuzu board (www.isuzone.net) is getting ~400HP with our engine on a full T3/T4 swap on an Isuzu RS AWD. (in Cartman voice) Sweeeeet! A less aggressive kit (and less $) is to replace the IHI compressor with one from the Thunderbird (a larger wheel). Costs ~$500, and with larger injectors (370cc/min) should be good for 240HP. For comparison, the BHP T3/T4 kit is around $1,100 (+ injectors and some sort of fuel computer) and can be used to produce 320HP, per Kyle's figures.

Jun 4, 2002 - 09:00 - From: Dave M.
Title: V8 sadness, Ed's exhaust
Message: Matt, I just chuckle thinking of the looks "post-defeat" as you say. See http://www.b-hague.co.uk/Mounting%20Brackets.htm for something to help record that special moment. Ed (and others), as a possible exhaust option: there is someone who is in the process of custom making some pre-cat and downpipe replacements @ www.isuzone.net Go to For Sale/Parts and the "Performance rs downpipe information". This appears to attach to the stock O2 housing (though by your descriptions Ed, you may not be using this due to the T3) and goes to the stock cat. An exhaust shop would have to go from there. May not work, but thought it'd be worth a try!

Jun 4, 2002 - 12:18 - From: Ed
Title: Exhausting...
Message: Dave, yes the stock O2 housing is long gone on my car. To use Bill's kit, I will need to have an O2 housing made to fit between Bill's precat replacement and my turbo outlet. I am currently looking to see if I can find anyone that can do the whole thing localy. I found one place that does nothing but $2-3K pure stainless steel setups for the Lambos and Ferraris. They said they could do it, but I'm sure it would not be cheap. I found another place that bends their own and uses the aluminized steel, but I have not talked to them yet. Gonna try to get in touch with them today.

Jun 4, 2002 - 20:35 - From: George
Title: Exaust...etc.
Message: Guys, all these talks about exaust systems got me thinking... Personally, I think the most cost effective way to increase your HP through exaust is to simply hollow out the CAT... Been there, done that, big difference. Just let you know, my car still passes the CA emission with flying colors. :-)

Jun 4, 2002 - 23:27 - From: Tom
Title: Overheating
Message: Thanks Matthew and Doug for the information, you guys were quick to respond. I appreciate it, Tom.

Jun 5, 2002 - 01:12 - From: Mars
Title: Ta Doug......Mars
Message: Hi Doug. Thanks for the fasssssst response! I will check the ground lead and let you all know. I did register on the owners list mid last year, but will do it again. Also noticed that the current list only goes to Dec 13, 2000. Maybe it's my browser size, or something. Regards........Mars

Jun 5, 2002 - 08:20 - From: Chris
Title: Rusted Wishbones
Message: It looks like the time has come to replace those rusty rear wishbones. The service manual doesn't detail the replacement of these parts....has anyone got any tips or considered doing a write up ? It looks a pretty straight forward job...are there any special tools required i.e. spring compressors ? Do the the brake calipers need removing ? Can the geometry setup be restored by an amateur ? Should this be a job only for a Main Dealer ?

Jun 5, 2002 - 10:42 - From: James
Title: Rusted Wishbones
Message: Last Saturday I took the Elan out for a bit of prime summer afternoon driving. About half an hour into the drive around some local country lanes I exited a left hander at about 50-60mph and had the rear end go completely loose on me after I'd straightened out. Somehow I avoided an oncoming car and van and brought the car to a halt without any further drama. On inspection I found that the near side rear wishbone had completely broken in two. I strongly recommend that anyone who has a 10 year-ish old Elan check out their wishbones and consider having them replaced if well rusted. It may be that mine had a pre-existing condition other than rust causing it to fail - hopefully Lotus will be able to shed some light on that when they see it - but I think it'd be well worth people checking theirs out. Cheers.

Jun 5, 2002 - 13:16 - From: peter bentley
Title: wishbones further
Message: James, sounds like a scary experience !! you may or may not have seen a number of postings concerning stainless steel replacements that i and a friend manufacture, the first production set get fitted to my 1990 elan friday of this week. !! so if you want further details and pics of the finished item on and off the car mail me or look for a feature on this site which doug will be hosting on our behalf very shortly. regards peter

Jun 5, 2002 - 15:02 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: fortunate
Message: You guys make me glad I live in a comparitively rust-free part of the world. I probably spend as much time detailing the underside of my car as the top-side. Heck, I could go to sleep laying on that creeper, it's so comfortable!

Jun 5, 2002 - 21:48 - From: Joshua Lawrence
Title: opinions on a turbo idea...
Message: Hi, Well, I have been playing with various turbos over the last couple weeks, and trying to gather as much info regarding upgrades, etc as I can. What started all of this was the discovery of cracks in the exhaust manifold & the exhaust casting of my turbo. Assuming it is the same as an Isuzu part, a new manifold is $209, a Jet Hott 2000 coating to help keep it from cracking again is $180, and I just got a quote of $560 for the turbo casting with the option of a complete rebuild for $960. Anyway, it is starting to add up to the point where it got me thinking about upgrades. I have been unable to locate any information on headers for our cars, so I am guessing there aren't any available? If not, then I am stuck with the stock manifold as my only option, unless someone could share what manifold is used for the T3/T4 swap (maybe a custom fab job?). This got me thinking...what if I were to have an adaptor plate machined out that would mate to the stock manifold via bolts, and have it drilled for studs mounted in the more common (rectangular) pattern used by most Garret (T3, T4, & T3/T4 hybrids) models? The turbo would then be moved outward by 1/2", but it looks like there is plenty of room. If such a plate were made, it would allow use of the IHI from a Ford Turbo Coupe, as well as a T3/T4 hybrid, and they could be switched out with relative ease. So I just thought I would throw this out to see what kind of opinions it generated...am I missing something, or would this work as I intend? The advantage for me personally would be that 1. I could use the IHI from a turbo coupe, with my only expense being that of a new manifold & having it coated, and 2. It gives me the option of going to a T3/T4 conversion for less cash than the original parts (perhaps down the road). Your feedback would be apprecaited! Joshua Lawrence

Jun 6, 2002 - 00:02 - From: Mars
Title: Mars' boost......thanx Doug
Message: Doug, did like you suggested and the probs gone away. Gauge now registers in all gears. Whew! The black wire wasn't loose, however it moved under reasonable finger pressure. So I loosened it off & then tightened it. Works fine now. Big thanks again Doug......Mars

Jun 6, 2002 - 00:46 - From: Doug
Title: Secret Elan Meeting / RH window motor
Message: Seems there is a covert meeting of SoCal Elans this week at the dealer. I dropped mine off yesterday and saw Ryan's there; saw that Ed, Randy, and Brian are bringing in theirs as well. Just be sure to tell Harry you need it for the 15th! BTW, Harry told me there is officially no more "Lotus" RH door window motor assemblies left in the world!! As far as he and I know the Kia should use an identical part! Andy Y are you still out there?? We need someone to email the Kia Elan guys about getting some of these--maybe Lotus would buy some to stock if we can find them . . .

Jun 6, 2002 - 03:49 - From: jeremy
Title: interesting site
Message: http://www.wreckedexotics.com/ check it out if you get a minute.

Jun 6, 2002 - 09:54 - From: Dave M.
Title: turbo
Message: Joshua, I went through a similar process in searching for an upgrade. If you made an adaptor plate there wouldn't be any problem *mounting* a different turbo. You just want to be very careful with space in the engine compartment. The BHP turbo (stock IHI turbine housing and T4 compressor side) JUST fit back into the car. I had to remove all the manifold studs and the wastegate to get it in. And that was with only a 1/2" spacer between the turbo and manifold so the compressor wouldn't touch the head. The other issue would be the O2 housing and exhaust. With a different turbine housing (the T3, for instance), you'd need a custom exhaust made for the turbo/wastegate exit that matched up with the rest of your stock system. This was another plus going with the BHP unit. Since it uses the stock IHI turbine housing, you can use the stock exhaust. Your swap would work as you mentioned (and would be very cool for some testing), but you'd just need different pipes to attach to the exhaust system. If the compressor sides were different (intake diameter and how far to the right of the engine compartment they sat), you'd likely need different intakes as well. I'm in the process of fabricating a new pipe from the filter housing to the turbo (2 1/2" dia intake rather than 1 3/4", plus it's closer to the filter box). It definitely CAN be done, though. I just didn't have access to a good exhaust person, so I wasn't comfortable going to a full T3/T4. You may want to chat with Bill or Kyle at BHP and they might offer some more suggestions. Check Kyle at BHP: http://home.pipeline.com/%7Eblackhole/index.html or e-mail at blackhole@pipeline.com Bill would also be of help as he does the full Garrett swap or the IHI upgrade.

Jun 6, 2002 - 13:17 - From: peter bentley
Title: Oily water (richard)
Message: Richard have you done a compression test, this will help you get to the bottom of a suspect blown head gasket. peter

Jun 6, 2002 - 14:07 - From: Joshua Lawrence
Title: turbo
Message: Dave M, thanks for the input. Actually, as far as the exhaust I am hoping this to be the case, as the T3 and IHI from a turbo coupe both exit directly into a 2.5" pipe. Now...the trick will be getting a pipe up there! But I am sure I can have one bent, although my hope for finding a mandrel bent solution is quickly fading...seems that is still a pretty rare thing. Either way though, it should be much better than the stock setup I would imagine. Thanks for the tip on BHP, I sent an E-mail to them a couple days ago, if something came through there it would be great. Unfortunately, the T3/T4/IHI combo isn't an option for me, since my IHI housing is pretty much trashed. I will double check the space, sure don't want to cut that too short! I currently have the entire front off of the car, so it makes this work much easier; however once everything is back in place it might be a different story. Thanks again, Joshua Lawrence

Jun 6, 2002 - 18:46 - From: Jared Dinwiddie
Title: Lotus M100 - Impulse Swap
Message: Is the M100 Engine the same as the impulse rs 4xe1-wt Motor? if you guys could help me with that Problem That would be Awsome.. (P.s. everybody I talked to Rec. this web site to me) Thanks Guys....

Jun 6, 2002 - 20:09 - From: George
Title: Custom Exaust Systems!!!
Message: I just got back from my buddy's mechanic shop. He had to move out of his old spot and into a new place. Turned out that he had to buy out the old business (a muffler shop). So, after talking to him for a while, he mentioned that he can build complete custom exaust systems now since he took over the muffler shop as well. Anyway, he wanted me to mention to my fellow Elan owners that he will be more than happy to custom build the exaust systems for us. I was told the complete system will range from $550 to $750. He can also provide us with "heat wraps" for disappating temperture along with the exaust. The heat wraps will be around another $200 extra. If any one is interested, you can either contact me or call the shop directly for more details. The shop's name is called "Planet Auto Repairs." Speak to Alex or Clay and go from there. Their number is 650-328-0287.

Jun 7, 2002 - 07:56 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: hardtop
Message: Picked up a really cool M100 book on the cheap. Check out the picture of the hardtop at the bottom. I've never seen one before... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1833058438

Jun 7, 2002 - 09:12 - From: Dave M.
Title: engines
Message: Yes, the Elan uses the 4ex1-t (not sure what the "w" is from your post). A few slight differences: the orientation of the turbo (it points down on the Elan, up on the Isuzu), the Elan uses a crankcase breather and oil separator system, and some other accessories (vacuum switching valves, wastegate actuator, etc.). But the block/head/intake/throttle body/manifold are the same to the best of my knowledge.

Jun 7, 2002 - 12:12 - From: peter bentley
Title: Alluminium wishbones
Message: Hi sullivan, im certainly not pouring cold water on your project as i also manufacture wishbones but we didn't choose aluminium due to the inherent problems between aluminium and the mild steel surface off the bush, be interested to know if you have overcome this problem. kind regards..peter

Jun 7, 2002 - 13:04 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: Isuzu/Elan engine differences
Message: The Elan uses a different throttle body, as Isuzu changed their engine to use a different one at the last minute after Lotus had already engineered in the earlier TB, which Lotus stuck with. It was amazing how much input Lotus had in developing the turbo version of the Isuzu motor, as it had not yet been fully developed when Lotus came on board with the Elan project. However, the NA engine was already a done deal and Lotus accepted it as is. All this info comes from a Book about the Elan's development that I have and was reading the other night.

Jun 7, 2002 - 13:13 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: NA Elan what if?
Message: An interesting thought for those with an NA Elan who want to upgrade their motor is to keep in mind that Isuzu later made a 1.8 litre version with only 10 more HP but gobs more torque, like 30 lb/ft more. Anyway, that's something I would keep in mind if I had an NA.

Jun 7, 2002 - 20:03 - From: Bill Luton
Title: engines
Message: There is quite a bit of disagreement as to what, if any, development Lotus did on the 4XE1 DOHC engine. Lotus did not come in and complete the design work on an unfinished engine, they were presented with finished and complete DOHC Geminis for suspension tuning in 1987. They looked at the engine and transmission, liked it, and chose it for their own vehicle. They would never have seen the engine at all unless the engine were done, complete, running, and already installed in production vehicles. Those details that supposedly were changed by Lotus just happen to be the identical details found in the Gemini and I-Mark with that DOHC engine. The throttle body, the hydraulic lifters, the camshafts, etc. Additionally, Isuzu presented Lotus with the early AWD Turbo Gemini engine with the top mounted intercooler. The intercooler pipe has a threaded fitting for the blow off valve that is British Standard Pipe Tapered thread, an obvious attempt to cater to Lotus, but Lotus turned its nose up at the idea of a top mounted intercooler, so this was obviously another case of Isuzu developing the product independently and Lotus requesting revisions, rather than Lotus designing the engine. Lotus made its order based on this early engine, and placed its order for engines with those features. It is likely that Lotus received all of its engines in 1988 or 1989. Lotus likely used out of that stock for the entire production of the Elan. The only aspect of the engine that is undisputed that Lotus developped is the ECU programming, which GM, Isuzu, and Lotus each developped independently for their own cars._ _Now, Isuzu delayed introduction of its own cars until 1991, filling Lotus' order for engines and GM's order for Storms. The 1990 Storm has a transitional control system, between the 89 I-Mark RS and the 91-93 model cars. It has the newer throttle body and the solid lifters, but the emissions system still looks like spaghetti. The 91- models have a more refined emissions system that looks a good bit cleaner in the engine compartment. This is clearly not a case of Lotus developping the engine, but that Isuzu had more time to fine tune things prior to introducing its own car and the result was a more refined engine only because there was more time to tweak things here and there._ _ _Bill Luton

Jun 8, 2002 - 06:10 - From: Dave
Title: Turbo Not Responding
Message: Hi everybody, just new to your newsgroup, I just know yeel be able to help me. Happy owner of Elan SE '91 with approx' 60,000km, just serviced last month (only mechanical work done was engine oil change and coolant), BUT over the last Week the Turbo is not responding at all (its like driving around with the hand brake on). Diagnosis of problems: a) now - peaks at 0.1 on the dash boost gauge over all gears. before - it peaked at approx' 0.5 on in all gears. b) now - max speed peaks at 4100rpm @(100mph/160kph). before - max speed peaked at 137.5mph/220kph BUT 5000rpm @(100mph/160kph) not 4100rpm. I would Very Very much appreciate any advice from you all; like any mechanical checks I can do myself before I bring the car to my local garage (not a Lotus garage Do). It could save me some cash -> DIY or pointing the garage in the right direction if any repairs are required. I'm currently in Belgium, but also live in UK. By the way I'm going to Lotus's Hethel Car factory near the end of the June to collect the Elise which a Truck ran over (lucky to be alive), so if anyone wants parts/enquiries from Hethel give me a shout in advance. I plan on doing major Turbo upgrades to the engine later, based on the wealth of information found on this site. Well done on the site to everybody. The Goodridge brake hoses and EBC Greenstuff are going on this week. I've ordered SpeedBleerers for the Elan&Elise (got the size from Lotus Hethel), If they do fit I will post the size for the Elan&Elise on this news group. Thanks in Advance everybody Dave I like Frederik Van Cauwenberghe Elan Rear Lights above from the new Esprits parts bin, a good idea? P.S. is there anyway of boosting the FM reception in the Elan? I hope I have'nt asked to may questions?

Jun 8, 2002 - 07:43 - From: Andrew D
Title: Reseting Error Light
Message: Can someone please tell me if there is a easy way of resetting the engine error light as i have solved all my errors and am ironically stuck with the light still needing resetting. Thankyou

Jun 8, 2002 - 10:08 - From: Dave
Title: Turbo Not Responding
Message: Hi all, I've checked the engine over for any loose pipes/wires but everything seems OK. I have noticed after taking out the air filter; when I examined the large air pipe going from the airfilter box to the turbo, there was an overall coating of light liquid oil coating the inside of the pipe, is this normal or would it indicate faulty bearings or seals in the turbo. This car was garaged alot by the previous owner, so I dont think it received the attention it should have. I don't think the break fluid was changed until I got my hands on it. The RPM speeds I give earlier are in 5th gear as you would have guessed. Thank in advance everybody Dave

Jun 8, 2002 - 12:59 - From: Doug
Title: Dave / Andrew
Message: Dave, welcome! Add yourself to the owners list if you haven't yet! Your problem sounds much like the usual signs of a faulty Cam Angle Sensor (CAS)--you can read all about this on the site and many have experience fixing/replacing this part. You should check your error codes and see if this is the case (see write-up). Let us know if it is not this though, but I would bet on it from what you state. Luckily an easy fix. Andrew, to clear the codes you need to disconnect the car main battery for a minute or two then reconnect. The car will have to re-learn a bit when you start driving so go easy for the first few miles.

Jun 8, 2002 - 14:57 - From: Mark
Title: precat sensor
Message: my car was up on a lift yesterday, getting some exhaust work done. it was great being able to walk around underneath it and having alot of time to inspect the car from the bottom up. i noticed for the first time that there is a sensor in the precat underneath the car. mine is completely rusted out, and was disconnected by the prior owner. is this a heat sensor? any idea if the car runs better or worse for having it disconnected?

Jun 8, 2002 - 17:16 - From: Doug
Title: 2nd sensor
Message: Mark, I remember seeing that as a variant in the "Japanese export model" of the Elan in the service notes. Do check the section about exhaust and engine management to learn about it--I can't recall for sure but it may be a second O2 sensor and clearly it was for stricter emissions--so I'd expect the car to run better without it if you know what I mean! Also you can cross reference your VIN to the model type too.

Jun 8, 2002 - 17:48 - From: Dave
Title: Turbo Not Responding
Message: Hi Doug First thanks for the prompt reply, I found the ALDL behind the glove box under the dash board. Got my paper clip and connected it to socket A&D (felt like MacGyver at this stage). The Check Engine Light flashed Once followed by a pause then 2 quick flashes (12). This same flash sequence of 12 continued repeating well over over 10 times which indicates according to the "Diagnosing Check Engine Light Report" the status of 12 "None", which rules out a faulty Cam Angle Sensor (CAS). After reading that the ECU limits the Engine speed to 4,000rpm, I did assume the ALDL would have something to report but noting. I brought it to the garage for a few minutes, they give it a quick lookover including the turbo & said it might be a damaged Cat under the engine (maybe hit by a speed bump) which may be hindering the flow of the exhaust fumes. They will do a closer examination on Tue as I need the car at the moment, which is still OK to drive. I will keep you all informed of me progress. Thanks again Doug, have a good evening Dave

Jun 8, 2002 - 17:50 - From: Andrew D
Title: Thankyou
Message: Thankyou Doug, will get on it in the morning :)

Jun 9, 2002 - 06:19 - From: Rick Moss
Title: Jammed wastegate
Message: I am hoping the someone out there can offer me a litte advice on this problem: I have just bought an SE Turbo with 72,000 miles up it. The overall condition is excellent, but it has been stood for about 6 months. In normal driving, everything is fine, but as soon as you start to thrash it at all the boost guage flies off the scale, the engine falters and then the engine's "monkey" light illuminates for about 10 seconds. After this, everything is fine again. I assumed that the wastegate is not opening to dump excess boost pressure, so I srayed it with penetrating oil and tried to free it with a little delicate persuassion (vice grips...). Still no joy (it didn't seem to move at all). Can anyone shed any light onto a simple solution, or does it need to go into a dealer? Thanks in advance!

Jun 9, 2002 - 08:28 - From: MIKE
Title: B-POST trim
Message: Does anyone know where I can obtain replacement B-POST interior trim covers in grey colour for my 91 Elan? My covers are the none hinge type but have the 2 springs that pull the covers down. Lotus have none as far as I am aware and I was wandering if someone makes an after market pair?

Jun 9, 2002 - 14:05 - From: Brian MDB
Title: Putting the boot in...
Message: During a recent wheel swapping exercise with Doug (To check Wilwood brake clearance), we noticed a good helping of anti-rust had been applied to the front wishbone courtesy of a split driveshaft boot...consulting the on-line manuals, it seems like a few specialised tools would be required to do a thorough strip and inspection, so I got a quote from Harry at Orange County Lotus to do the work, the parts kit was around $125, or $450-$500 including fitting. Coincidently I needed to work on the front-end to fit some new dampers, I ordered the adjustable ones from SJ Sportscars, costing about $280 (pair)including shipping to the USA. The parts arrived 7 days after ordering on-line, just in time for the the car's visit to Harry, "While you're sticking the boot in, how about sticking these in too?" Harry duly obliged, both jobs were completed the same day. What a transformation! With the dampers on a mid setting, the steering feels much more positive, corner roll is greatly reduced, the ride is smoother with less 'noise' over rippled surfaces and better traction. SJ's service is first class, and I thoroughly recommend them.

Jun 9, 2002 - 14:33 - From: Brian MDB
Title: Putting the boot in...
Message: Decided that I needed some new front dampers, the originals were 100k old and definetely shot. Apparently genuine Lotus dampers are now like hens teeth, except you have to buy them complete with springs for the princeley sum of $285 each! SJ Sportscars (UK)have adjustable 'Gaz' dampers for approximately $280/pair including shipping to USA. SJ gave great service, the parts arrived 7 days later following my on-line order. The Elan was with Harry at Orange County Lotus for a driveshaft boot replacement, so while he was putting the boot in, I asked if he could stick these in too. Harry got both jobs done the same day and I escaped with a reasonable $450 bill. What a transformation! The steering now feels more positive, body roll is reduced, traction improved and chatter over rippled surfaces virtually eliminated and ride quality is smoother overall. I can thoroughly recommend both the parts and SJ's service.

Jun 9, 2002 - 14:34 - From: Brian MDB
Title: Putting the boot in...
Message: Decided that I needed some new front dampers, the originals were 100k old and definetely shot. Apparently genuine Lotus dampers are now like hens teeth, except you have to buy them complete with springs for the princeley sum of $285 each! SJ Sportscars (UK)have adjustable 'Gaz' dampers for approximately $280/pair including shipping to USA. SJ gave great service, the parts arrived 7 days later following my on-line order. The Elan was with Harry at Orange County Lotus for a driveshaft boot replacement, so while he was putting the boot in, I asked if he could stick these in too. Harry got both jobs done the same day and I escaped with a reasonable $450 bill. What a transformation! The steering now feels more positive, body roll is reduced, traction improved and chatter over rippled surfaces virtually eliminated and ride quality is smoother overall. I can thoroughly recommend both the parts and SJ's service.

Jun 9, 2002 - 17:23 - From: Tony V
Title: Jammed Wastegate
Message: Now..I no longer have my car..so this is from memory... There is actuation rod that is clearly visable when you look at the top of the turbo. It is attached to a rubber bladder(cant think of a better word) that expands to open the waste gate (again..as I recall)...the arm is attached to the waste gate with a pin and a circlip. Now I have a lift..so it was easy for me to get under the car...remove the heat shielding under the car...and you can see the whole thing.... First...from the top of the car..remove the 3 or 4 bolts holding the bladder thingee with the rod attached... Then go under the car...and remove the circlip...and pull out the actuation rod...you can then move the little handle that moves the waste gate...If it is frozen there...you can spray in some liquid wrench..(be careful not to get it in your eyes)...and free it up. If you look at this and the waste gate is free to move...then check the bladder thingee...with the rod attached and make sure that it will expand when you pressurise it...that may be broken and I think it would cause your symptons.. if this does not work...then there is something wrong inside the turbo...and as I never had mine off...I cannot help you there...but I am sure others here on the board can..

Jun 9, 2002 - 17:36 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: precat sensor / Elan book
Message: The precat sensor is for the Japanese version. The car runs no better or worse without it. It is just another government regulation, this one in Japan, that you have to have an overheat sensor for the cat. It only makes the dashboard light come on, that's all. There is another Elan book for sale on EBAY at http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1834767242

Jun 10, 2002 - 01:04 - From: Will
Title: Defense/other
Message: Bill you get a little defensive when it comes to your wonderful isuzu's. throttle back a little. I'm sure all of us understand how great the isuzu company is. anyway, has anyone bought replacements for thier Elan's front shocks? Just wondering if there is any alternatives to the AVO.

Jun 10, 2002 - 04:50 - From: jeremy
Title: dash top cover
Message: Steve is having a carbon fibre bits sale and I have ordered the dash top. Can anyone tell me how you get the old one off? Cant be too tricky,...

Jun 10, 2002 - 06:06 - From: Dimitris Selas
Title: Headlights Motors
Message: A couple of weeks ago, I noticed that sometimes one of the headlights refused to go up or down. After a close inspection that I did a few days later, I found that when it came to the far open or closed position the motor was unable to work because it was too tough to spin. So I decided to do something about it, because I thought that I shouldn't replace them with new ones, because of the high cost of the parts. So I started disassembling the motors (only) to clean them and grease the moving plastic parts (gears). The thing is that I did not read the article which refers at this problem and when I finished the above I tried to assemble them by myself... I couldn't hold the brushes apart at the same time that I insert the motor back into the hole. IT IS NOT AN ONE MAN JOB!!! The result of my effort was to crack the brushes and thus operate the headlamps manually. The next day I bought another two pairs of brushes at similar dimentions (5x5 mm) and cut them with a hack-saw at a convenient length. I asked a friend of mine to help me by holding the brushes apart and I reinstalled the motors. From this time on the motors operate as they should be... :-)

Jun 10, 2002 - 06:20 - From: Laurence
Title: Timing check and a chattering noise
Message: I plan to have a go at checking my timing and have been looking for the 'notch' on the bottom crank pully, all I can find is what looks like a thin saw cut on the inside rim. Could anyone confirm for me - is that all it is? Also when changing gear while driving moderately/around town I have always heard a slight & rapid chattering noise (like - ch,ch,ch,ch,ch,ch.....)from the engine area that I can't track down. The exhaust system has been changed and this made no difference, I wondered if it could be from the Turbo because of back pressure(I don't have a dump valve - yet)- the car has done 79K miles and is otherwise performing well, does anyone else have any experience of this or other ideas about what it could be? Many Thanks Laurence

Jun 10, 2002 - 07:41 - From: Bryn
Title: Timing etc
Message: Lawrence, the timing mark on the pulley is as you discribe, can't reacall if it is on the inner or outer, but sounds like you have found it. The noise you hear sounds like the turbo, you will hear this between changes, nothing to be concerned about, dump valve will eliminate this if you wish.

Jun 10, 2002 - 12:25 - From: Dave M.
Title: brakes AOK / dash cover
Message: A couple dozen new bolts with a flatter head than AP's stock hex head jobs and we have brakes! This is not a drill. We have brakes. Now clearance between the bolt heads and the caliper mounts is maybe paper thin. I'm taking a touch of the mounting points just for security. Bill says the anti-roll bars are on their way back home and the WBO2 A/F unit should be here today, so things will hopefully be progressing rapidly in the next week or two...pictures to be forthcoming! Jeremy, two small screws then slowly pull the stock one up. It bends a touch, but the clips holding it in will then release.

Jun 10, 2002 - 13:08 - From: Doug
Title: Brian / Dave
Message: Great to see progress with new parts!! Brian, can you tell us more about your take on the dampers with use and also place a comment up on the Owners Review and/or Parts List for the rest of us to refer to. What are the adjustability of the struts? Dave, what's up with the roll bars? Can we get fatter or what? I'm getting worried about you putting your Elan all back together this year!

Jun 10, 2002 - 13:27 - From: Dave M.
Title: anti-roll bar update
Message: Bill recently received my stock bars back from his fabricator after taking all measurements. I also sent them pictures of the end links to determine if there was room to make the bars adjustable. That's my current knowledge. Bill, have you heard any more from the manufacturer? And never fear, Boy Wonder. The car will be rolling in less than a month (I may be pushing it, but it will roll!). It HAS to this year as I just made my LOG 22 reservations and am still trying to convince my wife that the West Coast meeting would be do-able. ;)

Jun 10, 2002 - 15:34 - From: Doug
Title: speed
Message: Dave, I wonder what the top speed will be with 1 HP (human power)?! LOL

Jun 10, 2002 - 23:18 - From: Ed
Title: Books...
Message: Matt... You just had to go and do it didn't you. I had that other book all nice and locked up at $9.95 Then you had to go and tell the world about it. :-)

Jun 11, 2002 - 02:46 - From: Brian MDB
Title: Front Dampers
Message: Wil, If you look a few messages above your own, you should see my triple message posting on front dampers. The dampers a adjustable via an adjuster knob at the base of the body. Steve from SJ Sportscars (UK)set the dampers where he thought they should be, and so far it seems like a pretty good setting. The dampers were fitted last Friday so I've not had time to dick with them, initial feeling is that the rear now is under-damped (new-ish Lotus dampers)and there aint nuffink I can do about it short of buying some more newuns. The 'Gaz' dampers feature adjustable height spring platforms and are of fair quality for the price. What details do you have on the AVO's?

Jun 11, 2002 - 03:32 - From: jeremy
Title: dash top
Message: Cheers Dave,... like you say it is two screws and thats it. Still took me an over an hour cos the head of one was knackered. I bought the car from my Dad so I know who the culprit is. Eventually had to take a hacksaw to it from underneath but it was well worth the effort. I bet the plastic original weighs at least a pound.

Jun 11, 2002 - 08:50 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: Ed, book
Message: Ed, didn't mean to muck it up for you. E-mail that guy directly (phil.stalker@sympatico.ca) as he sold me the same book and has almost 9000 E-Bay feedback comments. Ask him if he has another copy. I'm betting he does. Sorry.

Jun 11, 2002 - 12:44 - From: Dave M.
Title: throttle position sensor
Message: As I'm putting bits back in the car, I'm reviewing a few pictures I took to make sure the orientation of certain items was the same as when I removed them. One thing I noticed was the throttle position sensor (the black unit mounted on the firewall side of the throttle body that connects to the butterfly valve rod and the throttle cable assembly on the other side of the throttle body) was clearly "adjusted". What I mean by that is it is mounted such that the unit can be rotated clockwise or counter-cw 15 degrees or so. Mine was rotated clockwise to the max allowable (by the mounting bracket). So looking at the engine from the front, the unit's right edge is up. Due to this orientation, could this prevent the ECU from seeing WOT? i.e.- the shaft would not rotate as far one way due to the "adjustment". And since it is rotated, what is this affecting? Idle? If a picture would help (seeing how I'm using 1,000 words trying), let me know and I'll e-mail. I'm just curious if this is "stock" or what others look like. Or this part something totally different? :)

Jun 11, 2002 - 13:37 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: Jeremy
Message: Little diamond-tipped cutting wheels about half an inch in diameter are great for cutting a new screwdriver 'slot' into a bolt head. Doing this has saved me many headaches over the years. It can be used with a Dremel tool or just a standard electric drill, and you can buy them at most hardware stores.

Jun 12, 2002 - 00:22 - From: Mark
Title: throttle sensor
Message: Dave, standing at the front of the car and looking in, my TPS has the wire harness off to the right. it looks rotated about 5 degrees counterclockwise - ie the wire harness is raised slightly towards the hood.

Jun 12, 2002 - 03:19 - From: Krishna
Title: BOV,Manual,Parts
Message: Greetings guys (and gals?). Have had my Elan for 6 monthes now. Great to own a Lotus again! Found this site a couple weeks ago and poured over the archives before asking a bunch of repetative questions. I have to say you've got me excited about taking care of my baby. So here goes. Anyone use an HKS Sequential BOV? Suggestions for the best repair manual and source? Is there still a Korea connection for parts? Just started seeing oil around the CAS and thanks to your postings, the lump in my throat has receeded. Many thanks!

Jun 12, 2002 - 03:44 - From: jeremy
Title: matthew
Message: Cheers Matthew,... thats a good tip and I'll remember it for next time. Managed to 'bodge' it off. Steve supplied some nice tidy allen headed black screws with the carbon fibre dash top which looks excellent.

Jun 12, 2002 - 10:17 - From: Rick Moss
Title: Jammed Wastegate: Act 2
Message: Firstly, cheers to those who helped me on my problem of the jammed wastegate. I have now freed this off, and it is behaving perfectly! However... the boost gauge still flies off the end of the scale at 1 bar, but the car shows no ill effects from this. The fuel pump does not get cut off, and the engine light does not illuminate. When I first turn on the ignition, before the engine is even running, the boost gauge rises to just below 0.5 bar, leading me to believe that maybe it is over-reading?? Anybody got any ideas/solutions to this?

Jun 12, 2002 - 11:09 - From: Dave M.
Title: boost gauge/manual
Message: Rick, sounds like the infamous loose ground connection. Check the wires on/around the sending unit (the rust colored VDO piece mounted on the shock tower on the US passenger side). Krishna, welcome back to Lotus ownership! Other than the on-line manuals on this site, if you're getting into the engine (literally), I find the Helm manual for the 1991 Isuzu Impulse is excellent. Most information on the engine matches (the Isuzu layout is slightly different from an accessories standpoint), the diagnostics sections are very good, and even the electrical section has some carryover. It gives order of removal on parts, torque specs, and lots of other stuff along with diagrams. http://www.helminc.com/helm/homepage.asp

Jun 12, 2002 - 17:21 - From: Chip
Title: air Condition system
Message: Has anyone changed the air Condition system from R-12 to R-134?

Jun 12, 2002 - 19:45 - From: Mark
Title: Krishna
Message: Hi Krishna, my car came with an HKS Sequential BOV on it. don't know if it adds to performance or reliability, but its high on the annoyance factor. its very loud - the neighbors know when i'm coming while i'm still around the block. i haven't found any way to dampen the sound

Jun 12, 2002 - 22:11 - From: Krishna
Title: Doug...Dave M...Mark
Message: Thanks Doug and everyone else who gave info on the loose throtle cable syndrome. Don't know if the last owner ever looked at this car. Made almost an inch of adjustment! Hello acceleration! So much for my right foot rest. Dave M thanks for the manual link. Mark...the sound is what I was worried about. HKS say it's supposed dump excess pressure more progressively as it increases as opposed to just a complete dump at a given pressure. Maybe so...maybe it's just more boy racer blah blah blah.

Jun 12, 2002 - 22:35 - From: tim
Title: mystery engine missing HELP!!!
Message: I have a 91 with about 44k miles. I bought it with 42k last year and had Lotus dealer do headgasket, timing belt and tune up on it. The mystery begins: started with the engine missing 3 or 4 times in a row in 3rd gear at about 70mph. You could wind out 1 and 2 to near red line and no problem. The mystery continues: then it started not being able to go more than 70mph in any gear at all: 3, 4, or 5. You could hold the pedal all the way down and it just wouldn't go faster, and the only thing else that was strange was a kind of hissing sound in the exhaust. Then it started going up to 90 mph before it would start missing. The mystery becoming more sporadic: not the engine misses sporadically. Sometimes in 2nd gear when you push it hard, sometimes, 3 4 or 5. (Use only Amoco premium, have torquemaster plugs in it that are new) My non-Lotus mechanic is guessing fuel pump going bad or something about the coil (the part that it has instead of a distributor cap.) Please help!!!! Thanks! tim in chicagoland

Jun 12, 2002 - 23:37 - From: Doug
Title: Krishna/Mark, Tim
Message: Guys, see the tuning notes for info on making a blow off valve silencer. You could alternatively plumb the BOV output into the intake and make it a "true bypass valve" which would silence it for sure (see bypass write-up). I think it's pretty impressive the energy stored in that valve discharge and sure am glad it is not backfiring thru the turbo--a la normal set-up!! Tim, perhaps we need more info to track it down! Elan distributor and plug wire problems are not unheard of. You can check the wires for shorts with a ohm-meter. Also it could be something like the dreaded CAS (see write-up and archives) so check if you have any engine error codes. Could even be corrosion on one of your engine sensor contacts--you could check this with the FreeScan program (still not adapted to the Elan though ;-[ ) or by using the dealer's "Tech-One" tool with the enigne running or driving with it. Those are the things on the top of my list from your post!!

Jun 13, 2002 - 01:00 - From: Mark
Title: BOV
Message: the HKS sequential is different from the stock HKS. the opening that vents the pressure is about an inch in diameter and is at the end of a tapered cylinder that is about 3 inches in diameter - it looks like a huge bullet. so you would have to cover almost the entire thing with a silencer. it also works differently - the venting valve opens inward, getting sucked in by a drop in manifold pressure, rather than popping out like most of the BOVs. i think covering the opening could impede the valve from opening. IMHO its one of those hi-tech pieces of junk that probably improves performance by about 1/2 of 1% but looks really cool.

Jun 13, 2002 - 02:19 - From: Guillermo
Title: Tim mistery engine
Message: Hi Tim, what I found strange is that you can get full revolutions in 1st and 2nd, but not 3rd. Most engine control mechanism work with revolutions, load, temp's, throttle pos et al., but not gear. That sounds more of the engine being unable to get more power. First of all, what engine are we talking about, N/A or Turbo ? If its Turbo, what do you see on the boost gauge on full throttle in 2nd ?

Jun 13, 2002 - 04:43 - From: Dimitris Selas
Title: Fuel Tank
Message: Hi guys, you posted many messages on the fuel tank, that i missed the points (I think-sorry). Did Lotus finally recalled the Elans' fuel tanks or not? Thanks :)

Jun 13, 2002 - 10:13 - From: Ronald
Title: strange noise
Message: hi to all elan drivers! since I bought my elan one year ago there was always a strange noise when Iam driving over 5000RPM and with max. boost. My local turbo-center thought the noise cames from the turbo, so they do a turbo-rebuild. But after the repair the noise, sounds like fast airflow braking on a edge, is exactly the same as befor. Iam using a drop in K&N Filter, all other components are original. Does Someone has an idea where that noise could come from? thanks a lot and regards from austria to all lotus drivers Ronald

Jun 13, 2002 - 11:51 - From: Ed
Title: HKS Valves
Message: Mine also came with one of those HKS sequential type BOVs. I would have to agree with Mark on doing anything to it. The way it is designed it just doesn't lend itself to silencing or plumbing back into the turbo intake. Actually, trying to route it into the intake might prevent it from working correctly. The suction against the BOVs diaphram from the turbo intake (outside) would compete with the suction trying to open the BOV from the inside. The BOV would either not open all the way or may not open at all. I'm not sure if this would be the case or not, but it's the first thing that comes to my mind when thinking about trying to route it back to the turbo intake.

Jun 13, 2002 - 13:08 - From: Dave M.
Title: datalogging w/stock ECU
Message: OK computer folks out there: http://w1.601.telia.com/~u60113744/software/winaldl/winaldl.htm Got this from the Isuzu board. Maybe a Freescan-like option? I'm not quite ready to try it yet, but does someone want to give it a go before I can get to it?

Jun 13, 2002 - 13:21 - From: Dave M.
Title: fuel tank
Message: Thanks, Dimitris for reminding me...had a brain fart and forgot to post this earlier. A fellow Elan owner from my Chicago club has heard that Lotus is sending two test rigs around the US for dealers to check fuel tanks on Elans. They will only be at each dealer for a week or two, and apparently the Lotus order is that only cars which have been in for service (regular, I assume) in the last 12 months can be checked. Regardless, if you have an issue it's worth a call to the local dealer to see when/if they are getting the equipment and if you can get your car in. This may not see like it helps those out of the States, but it DOES indicate Lotus is starting to fess up to the problem.

Jun 13, 2002 - 15:58 - From: Greg
Title: Dave M.- Elan 4 Sale
Message: Dave M. I see that you are from the Chicagoland area. I was wondering if you saw my prior posting about the nice Elan for sale in East Dundee at Miro Motors. Did you check out the car? If not, I suggest you or another one of your club members check it out. It's very nice and has very low miles. I don't know what it has under the hood for aftermarket stuff, but I know it has one of those roll bars from those guys in Michigan. Check it out at www.miromotors.com. There are about 5 photos of the car on their site. It would be a shame to see a nice Elan like this go to a little teenie-bopper who doesn't appreciate this car, and its qualities.

Jun 13, 2002 - 18:04 - From: Bob
Title: lotus elan (ebay auction)
Message: To all dissapointed biders for the Lotus elan book on ebay try , www.booksinternational.co.uk tel (44)(0)1252376564. I bought one there today june 13th they had several copies only £5.95 GBP and they ship worldwide .Good hunting. Bob

Jun 13, 2002 - 22:53 - From: Edward
Title: SoCal JUNE ELAN GATHERING
Message: Here is the plan: We gather at Derelict's Donuts in Huntington Beach around 6:30 am on Saturday June 15th. After a couple of hours of donut eating and drinking coffee, as well as patting each other on the back, for our great Elan upgrade stories, we proceed on a drive down PCH (Pacific Coast Highway) to Huntington Beach boardwalk area for breakfast (brunch), Make sure you bring plenty of quarters for parking meters. At that hour we shouldn't have any parking problem. Yes, this is the same are Bill took Doug and myself and we had crab sandwiches... After a couple of hours of heavy Elan upgrade discussions, we proceed down PCH to Dana Point and Capistrano. We then go to 5 North and get off at Ortega Highway, then east until we get to the Mission San Juan Capistrano. After that, we return back to 5 and head to our separate destination from there. What do you think?(see attached map). Please feel free to forward this to all interested parties, and let's try and make this the greatest Elan Gathering ever!!!!- "Donut Derelicts" Various dates — Every Saturday morning (except major holidays), a group called the Donut Derelicts shows up for what some bill as the largest informal car show around. The event regularly attracts more than 150 classic cars, hot rods, and muscle cars. Adam's Avenue Donuts, corner of Adams Avenue and Magnolia Avenue, Huntington Beach. Show up between 6 a.m. and 8 a.m. (mall opens at 9 a.m. and gathering ends). (714) 962-8921. Plan on arriving as close to 6:30 AM as possible. The closer it gets to 7:00 AM, the more difficult it's going to be to find parking spots at Derelict's next to each other. If you can't get there early, and can't find a parking spot. You can park across the street.

Jun 13, 2002 - 23:01 - From: Edward Miller
Title: SoCal JUNE ELAN GATHERING
Message: Ok, so I lied about the map attached....if you really want a map, just e-mail me and I'll send it to you.

Jun 14, 2002 - 19:00 - From: Jonny Jones
Title: Tires
Message: Hi my first posting :-)) My tires are shot, have been running Michelin MXX3s which were great. Has anyone experience of Bridgestone Potenza S-03s on the Elan??? They have 205/50/15 in the range and the reviews look V.Good! Any comments before I part with my money? Ta. Great Site Doug :-)

Jun 15, 2002 - 03:24 - From: Laurence
Title: Tyres / Tires
Message: I have been trying to decide on the SO3's or the new Michelin Pilot Sport. On the www.british-cars.co.uk BBS there seem to be a lot of fans of both brands for the Elan (and Elise)but not many have tried the latest versions yet. I think the SO3's may have the better grip in the wet and they are cheaper but, they are directional so not so easy to swop around and also they probably won't last quite as long as the Michelins. Apparently Lotus originally picked Michelins for light weight and stiffer side walls which suited the Elans handling. Yesterday I put 2 SO3's on the front of my Saab 95 which is going to be my test bed! Laurence

Jun 15, 2002 - 04:55 - From: steve
Title: Whistly noise
Message: Tonight I noticed a very high pictched noise at idle - almost like security system ultra high frequency noise. I also noticed the turbo gauge was acting funny - boost was flipping around quite a bit and for a while there was considerable boost even at idle. I accelerated strong several times, the boost problem corrected itself, but the high pitched noise remains....any thoughts? Wastegate or turbo problem?

Jun 15, 2002 - 08:01 - From: George
Title: high pitch noise
Message: Steve, I think the boost gauge and the noise are 2 seperate issues. With the erratic gauge needle, chances are, your gauge wires are not grounded properly. It's a easy fix, just pop your hood, look to your left side as you stand in front of the car, find that little cylindrical object with wires under the hood. Then tighten the bolts, it should be fixed. With the high pitch noise, I experience that as well. My culprit is that I have a custom stereo system. Since the Elan is a plastic car, grounding for the electronics is a little difficult than normal. My gets slightly louder as the rpm climbs as well. Don't know about yours, but it could be as simple as electrical noise that are coming out from your car speakers. Cheers, George

Jun 15, 2002 - 12:08 - From: Tony V
Title: SO3's
Message: I am using the Bridgestone SO3's on my Seven. I have about 300 miles on them...and am very impressed.

Jun 15, 2002 - 12:37 - From: Jonny J
Title: Tires
Message: Laurence I was looking at the SO3's becuase Michelin do not spec. the new Pilot on a 205/50 15". They start at 16"! Looks like I'll be trying the SO3's. Thanks to you and Tony V.

Jun 15, 2002 - 17:49 - From: alanshort
Title: bike racks and funny noises...
Message: hi guys, i've had my 1st elan [and 1st lotus] for about 5 weeks now and truly love it. However, now that i've finished the inital stage of "playing" with my new toy, the questions are going to start.. Firstly, i'm looking at getting a high clearence bike rack on which i want to hang a kite buggy. Does anyone now where i can get one in the UK ? I bought one from halfords that are meant to fit any car, but it doesn't look like its going to work out. Secondly, when slowing down at certian speeds there is a very loud resonating whine/hum and the whole car viabrates. This occurs in a small band between 95 - 105 mph. When slowing down under power (ie going up a hill) it is not present. Strangely, it also occurs when travelling slowly in a high gear when wet !! 30mph in 5th in the rain and i frequently get the same whine/hum/viabration when slowing down. It is not present in dry conditions at the samw low speed in high gear ?? any ideas ?? possibly driveshaft ?? Thirdly, how quickly do you become acustom to the power and performance, for the 1st few weeks it seemed much faster then it does now....?

Jun 15, 2002 - 18:18 - From: Andrew D
Title: Badges
Message: Very minor queiry but does anyone know where I can order the Lotus Wheel Badges for my new 17" Alloys on my Elan SE please.

Jun 16, 2002 - 05:29 - From: Kris
Title: Carbon Fibre Door Handle Escutcheons
Message: I saw a picture of an elan with carbon fibre door handle escutcheons somewhere, but can't remember where. was it anyone here? anyone know where to get them?

Jun 16, 2002 - 07:05 - From: Guillermo
Title: Laurence/Tires/Wheel Badges
Message: I have Michelin Sport (15") and I am not very impressed with at all, in the wet they are not good, they loose grip too early and the transition grip/no grip is fast. Nive to see anther Saab 95 on the board, I have an 2.0T with tuning kit (193bhp), very nice, very good travel car. Andrew D, SJ Sportscars (UK) has them (sjsportscars.co.uk). They look great.

Jun 16, 2002 - 07:07 - From: Guillermo
Title: second cars
Message: BTW, talking of Saabs, I would be interested in what are your "second" cars ? What are you driving when not using the Elan ?

Jun 16, 2002 - 17:24 - From: Laurence
Title: Tyres + Saabs + blow off valve
Message: Guillermo You just made my mind up - SO3's it is - thank you! I have the 2.3T Estate (170bhp) which I thought was quite quick until I got the Elan! Now I really wish I had the fully blown Aero with 250bhp. As it's on contract hire I can't start playing with the turbo. I was going to try the Bosh dump valve as used on the Saab on the Elan but it looks pretty small and now Steve Privett has given me his old top end inlet pipe so I think I will get a blue spring HKS. Does anyone have a recommendation on which model to go for; the basic $70 dollar version or the $200 racing one? I have a K&N filter so far and also plan to try an MBC or a Rob C valve just to get up to about 0.9 bar. Regards Laurence

Jun 16, 2002 - 19:06 - From: Bill Luton
Title: Maisto model
Message: I am in need of a Maisto model of a Lotus Elan M100 to be provided to a gentleman who has agreed to make car charcterature models for me. These are three dimensional models that are in the style of the little drawings with the features of the car exagerated and they measure 4 1/4 inches long by 3 inches wide and 2 1/2 inches tall. The gentleman has asked only for pictures but I have the feeling he will be able to do a much more accurate recreation if I can provide him with a scale model. If anyone knows where I can pick one up, please email me, this page is taking far too long to load up and I do not have much chance to check back here._ _ _Bill Luton

Jun 17, 2002 - 02:24 - From: BMDBrian
Title: Elan gathering, other car
Message: Thanks to all those that made it to Doug's 'Farewell SoCal' gathering, a good number of cars turned up to the event that Ed coordinated, thanks also to Bill who saved the poor waitresses brain from exploding by generously picking-up the lunch tab...look forward to our next get-together. Guillermo, my other car is a recently bought Subaru Imprezza TS Wagon, the main function is as a doggie transporter, so the WRX version was not even considered. Quoted power is the same as our Elan's, though the auto' box and extra weight end the similarity of performance, however the ride and lack of body roll are a closer match. I did have an old Thunderbird Turbo Coupe as my daily driver some time ago...until it caught fire...sadly I did not realise at the time that the Turbocharger could have been salvaged and put to work in the Elan as an upgrade!

Jun 17, 2002 - 04:04 - From: jeremy
Title: bits
Message: My 1991 car passed its mot on friday (hurrah) and I got to have a look underneath while it was over the pit. I have ordered Petrers stainless rear wishbones and it is just as well,... mine look quite rough. The antiroll bar at the back looks like and old stick that lodged under the car. Apparently you can drive around without this on the car (while I clean and re-paint it). Do you all agree? Also, what I am guessing are the upper wishbones (u shaped folded metal bars running transversely about 8 inches higher up than the lower wishbones) are really rusty. Does any one know if these are easily replaced? Lastly, are the hazard switch and matching blanks easy to get from gm and why are my indicators playing silly buggers (intermittant)? Ireland are out of the world cup. What a blow.

Jun 17, 2002 - 09:27 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: BOV,page-load,world-cup,sway-bar
Message: Laurence, I have the HKS standard BOV and even running something like 275HP it works wonderfully. Doug, I too experience a much longer load-time for the Message Board since the body-kit pictures were included. You have done a GREAT amount of work and a wonderfull job with this site, that has come to be, in a small way, a part of our lives; but is there any way you can move those pictures and put them somewhere else? Jeremy, although the USA has made it to the final 8 NOBODY here in the US gives a damn. Did you catch the president's comment to the team, "I don't really understand the game but we're all proud of you." (Finally, an honest politician!) Jeremy, I think you're fine without the sway-bar unless you suddenly decide to become Michael Schumacher!

Jun 17, 2002 - 10:37 - From: Dave M.
Title: Saab BOV / the "other"
Message: FWIW, my dad used to own an Aero and had me do some updgrade research. Apparently the Bosch valve is pretty weak. I have the race unit from HKS, but am with Matt and would get the standard. As for my alter-ego, I'm a Scooby guy, too (1995 Legacy Wagon). Doesn't go with the 135 HP engine, but then again, the Elan won't haul my 15' kayak! ;) Doug, I've had bigtime load problems with the board lately, too. Most times I can't get all the messages for the month. Don't know if it's pic related or not...

Jun 17, 2002 - 12:02 - From: jeremy
Title: sway bar, footy
Message: Cheers Matthew,... I'll go steady while the sway bar is off. I know soccer is not really your game over that side so great work for lasting longer than argentina, france, ireland (boo hoo hoo) and many other great footballing nations. Brazil v england on friday!

Jun 17, 2002 - 12:59 - From: Bryn
Title: Bridgestone SO3
Message: I have just put S03's on, can't comment on improvement over others as I have been running cheap Dunlops to date, so anything would feel pretty good. If anyone in UK is buying, best price I got (and a couple of other owners too) was £81 each fitted at a place in Hants. Mail me if you want supplier details.

Jun 17, 2002 - 13:45 - From: Joshua Lawrence
Title: Other car/Maitso model
Message: My "other car" is a Merkur XR4Ti. I like it pretty well, and have enjoyed it very much over the years; plus it has a great online community for support. Imagine how thrilled I was to find this board after purchasing my Elan! Bill, I bought one of those models & repainted it in Calypso red so it would match my Elan a while back. I can provide pics if needed, however I have seen them sell for right around $5 on Ebay, they are on there fairly often. One thing though (while I am no expert for sure) I am not convinced that these models are very accurate. To me it looks a little bit too long and wide...if I am correct it might not be the best to use as your basis. Joshua Lawrence

Jun 17, 2002 - 13:47 - From: Joshua Lawrence
Title: correction.
Message: Small point, but I meant to say, "a little bit too long and NOT wide ENOUGH."

Jun 17, 2002 - 13:50 - From: peter bentley
Title: wishbones and links etc
Message: Jeremy, to answer your question on the upper links, all areas of the car that corrode we are looking at producing replacement parts for, so i'll keep you posted. Whether its top links, front, back, roll bars what ever, its on our list !! secondly if you run the car without the anti roll bar just be careful, its purpose is as the name suggest, to prevent excessive roll so whilst its off drive sensibly, my business partner and i have looked at replacing it in stainless but have yet to receive quotes from specialist firms required to bend it as per the original, again i'll keep you posted.

Jun 17, 2002 - 14:04 - From: robert collins
Title: Bosch dump valve
Message: I put a Bosch dump valve on my Elan back in February - I chose the valve from a Saab high pressure turbo. 8000+ miles later I've had no trouble with the valve, running at anything up to 0.9 bar. I know people aren't too complimentary about these little Bosch valves, but Porsche seem to think they're OK for the 993 turbo! Also they cost about 1/5 the price of those shiny polished ally dump valves from Bailey, Forge etc.

Jun 17, 2002 - 14:21 - From: Edward Miller
Title: So Cal Elan Gathering Thanks
Message: It was great seeing everyone there! The event was fun and given more time, we could have had a better drive... Traffic on PCH on Saturday makes it difficult to maneuver 7 Elan's. We did make a statement, as crowds looked-on and commented on the Lotus cars. It's always fun to see the Lotus Elan in groups of 5 or more, and specially in different colors. As always, Bill Sun has proven to be the most valuable member of our group, by being such a generous host. Seriously, next time, it's going to be my treat, we can't let Bill have all the fun! I'm certainly going to have to take back all those bad things I have said earlier about Bill -- after this.... :-) I big thanks to Bill for his generosity, and also to Doug for giving us a fantastic resource to use and meet other Elan owners, and share our knowledge (and frustrations). Thanks you also Dennis, Jacob, Randy, Brian (and Sean) for your participation. Next time, we are going to have to plan a gathering over here in the San Diego area, with a possible drive to Julian (lots of twisties). Hopefully, we can get just as many Elan owners to come down here. Doug, thanks again for all you efforts, and I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say that I probably would have not purchased this car, had it not been for your website and the great documented fixes available. Keep up the good work! In fact, when I got home, my LHS window would not work and that late afternoon I spent 4 hours readjusting the window risers and lubricating. Doug, have a great time with the Golden Gate Lotus Club and I'm jealous on being so close to those great tracks. We will miss you on our Derelict's runs. Take care, Ed

Jun 17, 2002 - 14:39 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: never-ending Gobstopper...
Message: There is yet another one of those M100 books for sale at http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1836408019

Jun 17, 2002 - 14:40 - From: Ed
Title: Other car/football
Message: Our other car is a scooby too, or rather, my wifes car. An '02 Outback Wagon in our case. Good for hauling three people, diving gear, sand for the kids playground, whatever I'd never put in the Elan. Matt, I agree on the soccer/football thing. I've loved to play and watch the game since I was a kid. I'm thrilled we made it this far, but I'm not holding my breath against Germany Friday. Will be great if we can pull it off, but I'll be happy with a good showing. I guess we do well when it's hosted somewhere that makes the big names wonder why it's hosted there...

Jun 17, 2002 - 14:51 - From: Richard Steele
Title: Camber/Toe adjustment
Message: I seem to have run out of camber and toe adjustment on the rear axle kerb side. The adjusters are by eccentric cam and I noticed that the front axle camber adjuster has the option of 3 different cam offset's either 10.5, 12.5 or 14mm. Does anyone know if I can use the front cam bolts on the rear axle?

Jun 17, 2002 - 17:07 - From: David Robinson
Title: Exhaust popping
Message: 1st posting - have had Elan now for 1 year, what a great car, recently the exhaust has ocassionaly started making a popping noise when i change gears. Car is due for a major C service its hit 85,000mmiles. Can anyone recomend anywhere in the UK (I live near London). I had the last service with Nelmes of Romford but they were very expensive.

Jun 17, 2002 - 17:14 - From: Guillermo
Title: camber adjustment
Message: No, rear and front are adjusted in different ways. The front uses plates while the rear uses a nut & bolt assembly. They have nothing in common. I also run out of adjustment, bought new adjusters for the rear and that was it, the car felt like new. They are quite cheap, I bought them from SJ Sportscars.

Jun 17, 2002 - 18:05 - From: Mike
Title: Dave Robinson
Message: Dave, I think Nelmes have gone now but there is a Lotus dealer in Chadwell Heath called Wilsons who are reasonable if you want to give them a try. Interesting you saying about that popping from your exhuast as I had the same thing with my 91 Elan which had a standard Lotus box on the back end so I purchased one of S&Js back box,s and it has gone now! Sure your box is ok? No leaks or blows in the rest of the system? Let me know the outcome if you find out. If I can help in anyway, drop me a line. Mike

Jun 18, 2002 - 00:21 - From: Doug
Title: Elan, fuel gauge, brakes, etc
Message: Hi Guys, sorry for not hogging the MB lately but I will make up for it now. I have been terribly busy at work and home lately. Planning the move in 2 weeks so dropped the Elan off to get the broken fuel gauge (last 3 years) fixed--$650 later my feul gauge is working as the only visible difference! New tank innards were required to replace the faulty rheostat float unit. Being the male packrat I am I kept the old parts, so I now have an extra fuel pump with 80K miles on it in case anyone wants to trade for a short shift kit, etc ;-) When picking up the Elan after a 10 day absence my first thought driving it was, "what happened to the brakes!" Then I remembered that "that is how they are." Well hopefully I can figure out a better/cheaper alternative to the AP brakes soon, since there is no other alternative and I really want/need better brakes.

Jun 18, 2002 - 00:30 - From: Doug
Title: Elan Meet, alternative wheels
Message: Thanks to the 7 other Elans who showed Saturday! Will miss you guys, but the NoCal group will be a good alternative. Bill, get me that info on the epoxy for my dings, and thanks again for lunch. Ed, thanks for arranging the event! Regarding the other car, I too am a Scooby owner with a '98 outback wagon as the baby hauler and designated "beater car." I will also now publicly admit that last month I bought my wife an '02 Acura MDX as the "new" baby hauler (expecting in 6 weeks). I am against SUVs in principle but seeing the MDX is a certified ULEV (ultra low emissions vehicle) and can easily pull my Elan in tow, I caved! I will be trailering my Elan behind the MDX to NoCal so if anyone has any specific Elan towing tips please let me know. The Scooby will be my new main ride to work seeing how it actually rains in Northern California and I have no covered parking at work up there. The Elan will get some well deserved rest, upgrades, and windy wine-country backroad use!

Jun 18, 2002 - 00:45 - From: Doug
Title: MB/connection speed
Message: Sorry for the big pictures on the MB. You should be able to configure your browser so it doesn't need to reload the pictures after the first time it sees them as they are stored into the internet cache. I will only do thumbnails in the future when needed. It seems Frederik has great positive response and I will see he gets the info if he has not yet seen it. I guess having a 1800 mbps cable connection makes me forget about the snail connections out there. You can test your speed here http://www.dslreports.com/stest/0 or other similar sites. Email me at the website address or the above as my current carrier will go when I move; there will be a bit delay until August for me to get fully ramped up in a new connection in NoCal but I will maintain everything in the meantime.

Jun 18, 2002 - 03:21 - From: Will
Title: Other car/ BOV
Message: I have the hks 110 db. And i am in the high 200hp area. Yes it is loud, so i made the stereo louder. i wedged 2 12" sub woofers in the trunk. I pray for no flat tires. The Elan is my first toy. My wife will not allow me to buy anything else until she gets a new car. I wanted to buy a Yukon Denali. she said toooooo big. So i have Durango for groceries and work. Sorry i got off the topic of the Elan.

Jun 18, 2002 - 04:18 - From: jeremy
Title: other car/peters parts
Message: Other car is 1989 golf. I park under a tree which is part of a rookery. The birds $hit on my car from february to the start of this month and I refuse to wash it till they go. It gets as many 'glances' as the lotus. I had a 50/50 bump with a guy in an audi a few weeks ago and he started blabbing on about how he should drive a crap old car about too. Nearly bit my tongue off stopping myself saying how glad I was that I had not been driving the lotus. Peter, glad to hear youre thinking of other bits too. My top links are knackered.

Jun 18, 2002 - 04:27 - From: andrew
Title: London Service
Message: David, I recently used Morland Jones in Hammersmith for my B&C service. Cost around £700, but they were very good, friendly and also fixed a load of extra little jobs FOC at the same time. Certainly recommend them. http://www.findit.co.uk/cars/lotus/dealers.htm

Jun 18, 2002 - 05:52 - From: Richard Steele
Title: Re: Camber Adjustment
Message: Guillermo, The plates used in the front are only for Castor adjustment and you should have a total of 8. Each 1mm plate give 50' castor adjustment and the shims are moved either side of the upper ball joint. Mine for some reason only had 5 shims total. Front axle Camber is altered using a cam bolt. The rear axle uses cam bolts for Camber and Toe.

Jun 18, 2002 - 06:32 - From: George
Title: Other Car
Message: Since people are discussting about their "other cars(S)" I thought I might as welll come clean. My other car is a 98' Mercedes E430... V8 power... Kills my Elan afte 80mph or so. Right now, I'm currently closing a deal. Hopefully, it would be successful. If that does happen, I'm planning on replacing the E430 with a S500 or S55... Even a more evil thought, replacing my Elan with that new Maserati Couple... 395Hp... yum........ Need advice.... lol George

Jun 18, 2002 - 08:10 - From: karl
Title: seats
Message: selling some half leather seat grey leather out of my 91 h reg elan, driver seats has collapse slightly but just needs a bar putting undearneath, 2 second job really. good condition...........offers im in the midlands near derby

Jun 18, 2002 - 08:23 - From: Phil P
Title: Rear Number Plate cover
Message: Please can someone advise me how to remove the rear perspex number plate cover on my 1990 Elan so that I can clean the inside. Thanks...Phil

Jun 18, 2002 - 08:55 - From: Dave M.
Title: exhaust popping / Maserati
Message: David, the popping is usually due to unburned fuel in the exhaust igniting when backpressure is encountered. It could be running rich. Have you noticed gas mileage going down? If so, it's likely the O2 sensor. George...evil? Maserati? 395HP? Um...YES! I love my Elan, but...

Jun 18, 2002 - 12:43 - From: Ash
Title: Rear Number Plate cover
Message: Phil, you need to pull back the carpet just inside the boot space (obviously behind the number plate area!) you will find two screws I beleive behind there, try not to pull the carpet to far back un less you have some suitable copydex type glue to hand to stick it back down with though. regards Ash

Jun 18, 2002 - 13:13 - From: peter bentley
Title: brake prortioning valve
Message: got a leaky valve and i understand that they are difficult to replace, anyone had a similar experience and knows of where to direct me ?????

Jun 18, 2002 - 19:30 - From: George
Title: Maserati
Message: Yup Dave. I'm praying that I can close my deals next month. If that happened, then I'll be able to afford one (gotta dream sometimes)... Granted, the new Maserati coupe is not the fastest nor the best handling car. However, it costs less than both the 355, the 360, and the cliche Porches... I think that's a car with class, great performance, and 2 back seats... Hell, 0-60 in 4.7, with a nice Ferrari developed V8!

Jun 18, 2002 - 22:02 - From: Will
Title: typo/other
Message: i made a mistake on the BOV. it's 100 db not 110. Evil; a maserati. you evil evil man. haha ahahaha but how do you feel that the e430 costs 30k more than the ml430 for the same engine?

Jun 18, 2002 - 22:37 - From: Tony V
Title: Non-Interference Valve design
Message: According to a friend of mine that has rebuilt the Elan engine several times...He rotates the engine (ie: turns the crank..) several times when setting the timing. He is able to move the engine through all four cycles on all for cylinders without the valves hitting the pistons. Now this is with the timing belt OFF. So...It seems to me that this says that the engine in the Elan is a non-interference design..so should the belt break..it will not damage the valves. Now..a word of caution to all..this is second-hand information. I have not done this myself, so I cannot personally vouch for this...but I thought you would like to know what we have researched out on this so far. It seems to me that this would make sense..as most manufacturers have gone to the non-interference design..as a belt failure during warranty gets mighty expensive to the manufacturer...I am not telling you all to wait till it breaks before worrying about your timing belt..all I am saying is that the only evidence we have come accross seems to point to the way, that you will not damage your engine should the belt break. We have heard of nobody that has had a belt break.....and of nobody that has had a belt break and had engine damage. Has anybody else heard of one breaking?

Jun 19, 2002 - 03:07 - From: Richard Steele
Title: Re: Camber Adjustment (more)
Message: Guillermo, What I should have said yesterday was that the earlier cars had eccentric cam bolts that adjusted the front Camber whereas the later cars (mine included VIN M7534) use the Camber Adjustment Plates system. So my question still is - can I use the early version front eccentric bolts or the later front Camber Adjustment plates in the rear axle adjustment points i.e will they fit in the space and will the bolt lengths be adequate?

Jun 19, 2002 - 06:25 - From: Laurence
Title: REALLY GOOD TYRE REVIEW
Message: Don't buy any more tyres until you have read the excellent 17 page test report in UK EVO mag July Edition. The results were Goodyear F1 GS-D3 (8489 points/first place)ContiSportContact (8414)Toyo T1-S (8334)Pirelli P7000 (7983 but poor wet braking performance)Mitch Pilot sport (7684)Dunlop SP sport (7623)Bridgestone SO3 (7605)Avon ZZ3 (7481). The tests were carried out on road and at Goodyear's test track in France with a Ford Focus ST170 and were very very thorough. Both the Pilot sport and the SO3 scored OK on Dry but Low on wet handling although both could stop OK. Toyo's only fell down on the fact that they showed more wear over the test than anything else but otherwise they were up there with the best and cheaper to buy than most. Size tested on all was 215/45 ZR17 now I have to check if I can get the Goodyear/Conti or Toyo for my stock UK 15" rims! Laurence

Jun 19, 2002 - 06:43 - From: Mike
Title: Bumper Info
Message: Should any else need to replace the front bumber (Lotus USA only has 4 left) the sidemarker openings do not exist. The body shop I used said it would be extremely risky to try and make the openings, as the edeges are molded, etc. and it's likely the material would crack and split. In other words, they have to be stamped by the appropriate machine when manufactured. Explanation from Lotus? ? Nevertheless, the bumper looks better without the sidemarker. One thing I found was the oil cooler had a slight leak as the connection needed to be tightened.

Jun 19, 2002 - 08:01 - From: Ade
Title: I did a really stupid thing
Message: I know all of you out there are far to intelligent to do the stupid thing that I did, but I thought I would warn you just incase. I decided to change the engine oil and to make a real good job of it I decided to flush out the old engine oil. I do not usually read instructions first, but this time I did. Big mistake. It said warm up engine, then add the flushing fluid. As in everything else in life, I tend to over do things, so I got the engine really hot.Big mistake again. I started to add the fluid to the oil, not being to careful about the odd drip, when suddenly flames erupted from the turbo area, I know what your thinking of course they would the stuffs inflammable, I know that to now.I thankfully had just cleaned the car and a bucket of water was still handy. This was thrown onto the engine in a ml second so no damage. To add to the stupidity I have a fire extinguisher in the car I never thought of using. So if there is anyone out there as stupid as me be careful.

Jun 19, 2002 - 08:24 - From: Richard Steele
Title: Re: brake prortioning valve
Message: Peter, I have changed my RH side valve and it was not difficult. You just undo the pipes at each end of the valve and undo the screw that holds the valve to the chassis. The only bit that may prove difficult is the bleading of the system and I took the opportunity to change the brake fluid at the same time.

Jun 19, 2002 - 08:40 - From: Laurence
Title: TYRES 2
Message: The Goodyear F1 GS-DS3 is new and not available for 15" rims, only the DS2 is available. The Conti's are not available in 205/50 15 either. The Toyo T1-S is only available V rated (at around £60). Has anyone any experience of any of these? Laurence

Jun 19, 2002 - 09:03 - From: Laurence
Title: Flushing Oil/Fluid-no thanks!
Message: I have had a couple of bad experiences after using flushing oils/fluids, my slightly noisy old MGB engine got a lot noisier and the cam went immediately on my Ford Escort RS2000. I assume it's because the stuff I used did not provide adequate lubrication for the specified short time I ran the engines before draining. I am also a bit concerned that you never get absolutely all the oil out of an engine when doing an oil change so a small amount of the flushing fluid might stay in the system with the new oil. PS. My M100's hydraulic tappets sound much..much quieter on cold start up now I've changed to fully synthetic Mobil 1 - Good luck Ade!

Jun 19, 2002 - 09:25 - From: Dave M.
Title: tires and valves
Message: Sport Compact Car has a listing in their latest issue of 30 different tires, too. It's not a comparison, but might be worth a check of their website as a reference. FWIW, I've heard the Falken Azenis Sport is a great option, too (it comes in 205/50 15 & 215/45 16). SCC wrote them up very well in a previous issue. Tony, I've heard the same information as far as the engine being a non-interference design on the Isuzu board. Not an excuse to put off changing the belt as you say, but some added security.

Jun 19, 2002 - 12:17 - From: Mark
Title: George
Message: George, you should rethink that 360. at the lotus club day at laguna seca last week, 2 of them showed up. i had about 10 laps in one - huge power, brakes, a better stereo than yours (and yours is pretty good!), and you can pretend to be michael schumaker with the paddle shifters as you get a perfect downshift everytime. but the best part is the sound of the engine at redline. no comparison to a run of the mill porsche.

Jun 19, 2002 - 13:16 - From: Richard Steele
Title: Re: Bumper Info
Message: Mike, Do the side markers not normally sit in moulded indents or do they just sit on top of the bumper surface? The non US bumpers do not have side markers.

Jun 19, 2002 - 13:57 - From: Grant
Title: EBC Brake disks
Message: I'm sure this has been discussed a thousand times before so forgive me if I ask again... Does anyone know the part number for EBC Front rotors for the Elan(US)? I am in dire need of new rotors as my stock disks are very warped... at least I assume that is the case since the brakes jerk substantialy. Where can I order EBC Disks in the US? Any other recommendations for Rotors other than EBC? Thanks Guys! Grant

Jun 19, 2002 - 15:17 - From: Mark
Title: EBC
Message: tirerack.com carries the EBC brakepads. i don't recall the part number, but when i bought them several months ago, i called tirerack's customer service line and they looked it up in their catalog

Jun 19, 2002 - 15:20 - From: mark
Title: EBC
Message: hard to talk on the phone and type at the same time. i meant EBC rotors, not brakepads...

Jun 19, 2002 - 16:08 - From: Doug
Title: EBC parts
Message: Mark, you should know better . . . http://www.lotuselancentral.com/commonparts.htm#brakes

Jun 19, 2002 - 17:32 - From: Grant
Title: EBC Parts
Message: Thanks guys. I looked on the parts page earlier, but somehow I missed the upgrade section for brakes. Got it now. Thanks. P.S. I just got a new fuel tank installed free of charge from the dealer. I hope this is working out as well for others.

Jun 19, 2002 - 17:52 - From: Rod
Title: Tyres
Message: My part worn Mich MXX2 ( standard fit on the UK Elan with 15" wheels ) weigh in at 7.5, a very worn Mich Pilot SX MXX3 comes in at 8.3. I am really noticing the difference in handling ( not just grip ) now that I have exhausted my supply of MXX2's . . . so am looking to find a lightweigh tyre - anyone care to weigh tyres ? Oh, Goodyear Eagle F1 on a Lotus 15" rim is 15.9.

Jun 19, 2002 - 18:22 - From: Rod
Title: Hi Spec Brakes Done
Message: Random waffling about brakes here : http://www.mardibloke.co.uk/Cars/Lotus_Elan_M100/Upgrades/Brakes/brakes.html if you are still alive by the time you get to the bottom of the page, there is a link to some pictures of the parts I got from Hi Spec, plus standard Lotus callipers on the car. Still awake, then pictures of the Hi Spec bits on the car ( 285mm disc, 4 pot racing calliper, in 15" wheels ) are here : http://www.mardibloke.co.uk/pics/hispecfitted/index.htm The new ECU 285mm discs weigh in at 5.7, my old Tarox ones where 5.1. 2 x Hi Spec racing callipers, all the bolts, brackets and pads came in at 5.1, with all the Lotus bits weighing 8.3. So a saving of 2 for the Hi Spec bits. NB those weights included packinging - but same packaging used for the Lotus vs Hi Spec weighings. Fitting was pretty easy, but make sure you have all the bits before you start - too late I discovered the bolts to attach the brake lines to the callipers were a different thread and Hi Spec had not sent new bolts. I'm still bedding in the new pads, and while initial bite is not really there yet, the callipers do appear to have more power - I locked a wheel by accident - never managed that with any setup I have tried so far.

Jun 19, 2002 - 18:26 - From: Rod
Title: Rear Brakes
Message: I have now discovered that something is going on with the rear brakes, under braking the rear of the car pulls around - the rear right locks, so I guess my rear left calliper is not working ??? Just to get this sorted once and for all was going to chat to classicbrakes tomorrow and order both rear callipers, then SJSports and get two skimmed rear discs, and some EBC green pads. I know its gonna hurt my wallet, but I am pretty fed up of stripping down, cleaning and rebuilding brakes now. Anyone got any better ideas what it might be / cheaper solution / other places to try and get parts ?

Jun 19, 2002 - 18:30 - From: Rod
Title: Doh !
Message: ECU = EBC *its late, I'm hacked off that rear brakes are now playing up, random excuse #254

Jun 19, 2002 - 23:24 - From: Tony V
Title: Rear Brakes
Message: The problem with the rear brakes is that they seize up at the pins...These brakes are from the of the GM "W" body cars from the late 80's...they were the focus of a class action lawsuit that GM lost..and had to provide kits to retrofit the brakes. They are notorious and well known..any brake shop here in the states is familiar with them.I took mine to Midas Muffler here in the states, (dont know where you are) and for $100 they put on the retrofit kit, both wheels. It is called a sleeve and pin kit..after you have it on you should use the parking brake emery now and then to keep it freed up...that is what GM suggested after they did the retrofits. This is a well known fix here in the states..I am not sure about other parts of the world.

Jun 20, 2002 - 03:02 - From: Steve P
Title: Tire Weights
Message: Rod, this may help? http://www.miata.net/faq/tire_weights.html A light and stiff walled tire seems to be what the euro Elan needs :-)

Jun 20, 2002 - 09:17 - From: Dave M.
Title: brakes
Message: Rod, great to see Hi Spec finally came through for you! Hopefully Peter and any others waiting had similar luck. It was interesting to see the calipers out of the car. They look a touch more compact than the AP Racing ones. No wonder you can use a slightly larger rotor with their kit (for the 16" wheel it was a 310mm rotor v. 295mm). Now if we could just get together with Philbo (for another Hi Spec kit), Brian (with the Wilwoods), Doug (the OEM EBCs), and maybe someone's stock car on track somewhere to swap cars and compare brakes for everyone...maybe we could get SCC to sponsor the thing? ;)

Jun 20, 2002 - 10:35 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: No torque
Message: I have come to realize that the Elan has NO torque low down in the rev range. A Honda Accord V6 Coupe beat me off the line this morning. Now I will admit I was not revving the engine for a jack-rabbit start, but still right off the line he jumped me to get around a slow-moving-diesel-spewing truck. Well he felt pretty good after that bcuz he was weaving in/out of traffic with me on his tail. Little did he know I had just armed my nitrous system; now we are talking torque. Instant torque! At the next light I left him behind like an old lady, and again at the next light. After that light he stopped weaving through traffic behind me and didn't even try. I'm guesing he thinks I didn't try the first time, but I did! Having nitrous makes all the difference in the world, and was worth every cent of the $1700 I spent to have it; especially since the nitrous expert who worked at the speed shop has gone on to parts unknown... so I couldn't do it now even if I wanted to. By the way, I AM running Falken Azenis Sport tires and they are GREAT, just don't expect a quiet ride.

Jun 20, 2002 - 11:31 - From: Tom
Title: RH Window Regulator
Message: Does anyone know where I can get a RH (Passenger Side) window regulator for my (USA) 1991 Elan? Thanks Tom

Jun 20, 2002 - 11:34 - From: Guillermo
Title: front camber adjustment/Maserati
Message: Boys, I am two days off and ... whoff ... what a large list ... this is getting "time consuming" ... Well, Richard I will look at the dimensions of my bolts. Ref. Maserati: I like the Spyder much more than the Coupe. I have both the Ferrari 456 (my dream 4 seater) and the 3200GT as 1:18 and they look quite similar to mee, proportions and details. Nice and good-looking. But then I saw the Spyder here (still with some camouflage, we have a test circuit nearby) and this was the first car since I have my Elan that I could say, "this is a beautiful car" (this side of a Ferrari). And I think - now that Ferrari owns Maserato - you get a Ferrari for half the price. I would buy many other cars before that one (my wish list is long), but that Spyder TEMPTS ME !! Now ... it will be a lot more money involved ... so I'll have to wait.

Jun 20, 2002 - 11:34 - From: Paul
Title: older Elan desired
Message: After a few conned laps "at speed" around Blackhawk Farms Raceway (South Beloit, WI) during last weekend's Vintage Sports Car races, I have developed that "gotta get one" feeling for a clean, mechanically reliable (not necessarily 10-point correct) street-worthy Elan of mid/late 60's vintage. I would be interested in opening dialogue with anyone who might wish to sell one, or tell why I'm insane to consider this. Regards, --PN

Jun 20, 2002 - 12:08 - From: Ed
Title: Tire Weights/Torque
Message: Rod, that chart Steve pointed to seems to confirm that the Toyo T1-S is a fairly lite weight tire. I currently have the older T1 (no -S) in a 225/40ZR16 size and they seem to be a good tire and give a pretty quiet ride. The newer T1-S is supposed to be better than the T1, but then they all say that. The only thing I can't speak to is the wet traction, living in the desert like I do... but the mags give it good ratings. Matt, yeah the low end torque is just not there. When I was running the autocrosses, an overly tight course would just kill my times. Speeds would be just fast enough to keep me from dropping back to first but not quite enough to keep the turbo pounding. Made for some lazy exits on a few corners. Though I'm sure part of it was the driver too.

Jun 20, 2002 - 12:44 - From: Rod
Title: Traffic Light GP's
Message: Matthew, hold the revs at about half throttle when sat at the lights for a few seconds, when they go green you will get extra power for enough seconds to make a difference. Although I tend to enjoy sitting at the lights with a few revs on and, assuming nothing behind me, just sit there when they go green and watch the other car scream off into the distance.

Jun 20, 2002 - 12:58 - From: Rod
Title: Windows
Message: As far as I know you cannot get the window regulator part here in the UK anymore, I have now pretty much had mine completely in pieces ( both to fix, but also understand exactly how it works and what can break ) and along with the great information here on Doug's site ( for door stripdown etc ), take a look here http://www.mardibloke.co.uk/Cars/Lotus_Elan_M100/Known_Problems/Windows/windows.html and follow the link at the bottom for pictures. If you have the time and a few tools, its worth ordering a set of the various plastic bits from Lotus, and then getting it in pieces.

Jun 20, 2002 - 13:00 - From: Grant
Title: Fuel tank
Message: I have gotten a couple of e-mails regarding my recent posting regarding free replacement of the fuel tank. So I figured I would share with all what I know... In my case, my local Lotus dealer contacted me. If there is a Lotus dealer in your area call them ASAP. This has to be done by a dealer but I don't think it matters if you bought the car from the dealer, however I did. The Lotus corp is not necessarily doing a recall but they have agreed to cover the tanks under Warranty. They are calling it a warranty because a recall would mean that they would have to replace all tanks, leaking or not. They don't want to do this because there are only about 200 tanks left in existence and more than 500 cars. You will need to take you car into the shop where they will do a pressure test on the tank. If your tank is leaking you will likely fail. Lotus will then replace it for free. Hopefully this will work out for you. (If not it will cost you $700+) Grant

Jun 20, 2002 - 13:26 - From: Tom
Title: Idle
Message: Can anyone tell me the proper idle speed for my 1991 Lotus Elan. My Elan idles at 1,100 RPMs W/O the AC on and at 1,500 RPMs with the AC on. Is this about right. Seems a little high to me. If it is too high how do you lower it? Thanks Tom

Jun 20, 2002 - 14:38 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: Tom, RPM
Message: Tom, I'll see your 1100 and lower your 1500 to maybe 1300 with the AC on. All in all, sounds about normal though. I'd have to look in my factory manual at home to see if it's adjustable.

Jun 20, 2002 - 14:41 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: Grant, Thanks
Message: Grant, thanks for the info. I've left my Lotus dealer a voice-mail message to put them on the hot-spot. Thanks again.

Jun 20, 2002 - 15:54 - From: Laurence
Title: Rear Brakes
Message: Rod My car was behaving just like yours and I was convinced it was a problem at back but then a front caliper seized on and I was forced to sort the front first. After that I had no problem with the back jumping out of line. I assume that for quite a while I had one sticky front caliper which was causing very uneven braking. I don't know if this makes any technical sense but I am also suspicious (because of a corroded disc surface) that the rear on the diagonal (same circuit) to the sticky front caliper was not braking as well as the other rear. Now the corrosion seems to be wearing off quickly. I also jacked the back wheels up and spun them and had someone apply the handbrake and foot brake to make sure they were at least operating. I have now just got through the MOT (thanks for the tip about the Trolly Jack in the boot/trunk). The backs were not perfectly even but the tester thought they were quite acceptable. Even if one of the backs was not fully effective, with those proportioning valves I now wonder if one good back brake could do enough work on it's own to make the car jump around (at least if your braking in a straight line)? If you haven't already, I would recommend checking to see if you've got even pad wear at the front, they're a lot cheaper to fix! Laurence

Jun 20, 2002 - 16:14 - From: Laurence
Title: Rear Brakes - Whoops I should read the other posts first!
Message: Sorry Rod I just noticed you've actually put completely new brakes on the front. Still it might be worth getting an MOT station to verify that they're braking evenly before you spend out on the back as well. Laurence

Jun 20, 2002 - 16:22 - From: Guillermo
Title: idle rpm
Message: Mine is below 1000rpm and manual says "normal running temp", A/C off typical data value: 950 rpm +/- 50 rpm. If I switch the A/C on, usually it goes up to 1200, 1500 is quite high IMO. idle rpm are not adjustable, it is controlled by the ECM based on different inputs, maybe one sensor has faulty readings to cause the engine go that high.

Jun 20, 2002 - 16:52 - From: Steve Booth
Title: M100 Rear Discs / Rotors
Message: Can anybody let me know if any company produces uprated rear brake discs / rotors for a 1990 Elan SE Turbo. Thanks in advance Steve

Jun 21, 2002 - 00:07 - From: George
Title: Mark
Message: Mark, the 360 is $200K... The Mas Coupe is $85K... Lend me the other $120, then I'll get one....lol :-) By the way, how is your car running with the "high flow cat."

Jun 21, 2002 - 01:31 - From: Will
Title: Tires/ultimate street car challenge
Message: Aloha, I know it sounds silly, but i just wanted to remind people how lonely it is on this rock. But anyway. I have the Yokohama parada spec 2 tire's. I used to use the nitto 455, avoid them. then I tried the nitto 555's. great, but a little expensive especially with the conditions of the roads here. I picked up the latest sport compact car. They were showing the entrants for their Ultimate Street Car Challenge. last year a Ferrari won it. Now there is a big uproar. I was thinking that Matthew Welsh should enter.

Jun 21, 2002 - 05:12 - From: Rod
Title: OT: USA Lotus Esprit 25th
Message: For the USA guys : http://www.lotusespritworld.co.uk/EModels/V8US.html 

Jun 21, 2002 - 05:30 - From: Phil P
Title: Rear Number Plate Cover/Engine Clean
Message: Thanks Ash for your reply. I found the screws, but unfortunately the cover appears glued as well. So I'll have to unstick and re-seal it. Whilst I am in the cleaning mood. I have seen some of the engines in the Gallery and wish to bring mine near to that standard. I have slight tarnishing on the turbo and manifold. Can anyone please advise how best to remove and restore these areas, plus making the hoses nice and black. Thanks - Phil

Jun 21, 2002 - 07:14 - From: Richard Steele
Title: Re: Rear Number Plate
Message: Phil, You need to heat up the top and side edges that make contact with the body as there is a semi-sticky double sided black adhesive mastic stuff, I used a hair dryer on a gentle heat and gingerly prised the plate cover away.

Jun 21, 2002 - 08:16 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: Idle speed
Message: I actually looked at my tach on the way home home yesterday and my idle is 1100 rpm whether the AC is on or not. You can notice upon careful observation the mechanism that raises the idle when the AC compressor comes on doing its thing.

Jun 21, 2002 - 08:21 - From: Laurence
Title: Rear Number Plate Cover
Message: Phil Beware, I cracked the perspex trying to pull it off cold (why didn't I think of a hair dryer?). I think the original intention was to remove the whole assembly from the car (via the screws in the boot then clean it from behind through the opening for the number plate and number plate lights. Also I have not had much luck re-sticking my slightly cracked perspex. It's £50 for new perspex from a specialist dealer or about £130 from Lotus to replace with the later open type number plate surround - I have bought one of these to fit when I get around to it. The details are in the service notes you can get to via this site. Laurence

Jun 21, 2002 - 09:16 - From: Dave M.
Title: misc links
Message: Matt, some Elise owner heard about you and wants to keep up: http://www.pistonheads.com/Lotus/default.asp?storyId=4761  As for car dreams, put this in my top 5 - a 340R at Spa (!!!): http://www.340r.net/articles/spa2002/spa2002.htm  Phil, I don't know if it will work on the turbo, but they say it won't burn. Try Calyx manifold dressing: http://www.ecklers.com/product.asp?dept%5Fid=159&pf%5Fid=A2554  Finally (no link) Paul, there's no insanity there, just love. Dream car #12 or so of mine would be a 26R. How was Blackhawk, BTW? I'm driving there with the LOG track day in Sept.

Jun 21, 2002 - 13:08 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: Fuel tank
Message: Thanks to Grant I contacted my local Lotus dealer and was told to write to the following for possible reimbursement of my December 2001 purchase of a fuel tank: "Lotus Cars USA, Inc, - Attention: Warranty Division - 500 Marathon Parkway - Laurenceville, GA 30045" Below is my letter... Dear Sir, I understand you are currently testing 1991 Lotus Elan Fuel tanks for leaks. My tank was leaking, and was replaced by Matheny Jaguar in Jacksonville, FL on 12/14/2001. I have included the receipt, wherein other work was also done which has nothing to do with my letter. By my calculation, the dealer charged me $607.63 (including taxes) to replace the fuel tank. As mine was definitely one of the faulty ones (the dealer states on the receipt “gas tank split on side”) will you be reimbursing me under the warranty coverage you are extending to cover this problem? I was told by Brad in the service department at Matheny Jaguar/Lotus to contact you regarding this matter and any monetary compensation involved. I have also sent a copy of this letter to the NHTSB, as they provided a form for me to fill out and return after I called to file a complaint. The courtesy of your reply would be sincerely appreciated, Matthew Welsh

Jun 21, 2002 - 13:27 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: Nitrous Elise
Message: Dave, comments on your nitrous Elise find, 1) Is it too late for me to go with the cool "fighter pilot" safety-trigger mechanism? Gee did I go wrong trying to keep my car looking stock!, and 2) (seriously) I hope he went with independent injection for each cylinder, because I have personally heard several disaster stories from those who took the single fogger approach, and none from those who've gone the multi-point injection route.

Jun 21, 2002 - 13:34 - From: Guillermo
Title: Richard/camber adjustment
Message: I looked at the bolt & cam assembly, there are two different sizes for the rear, I don't know which is for adjusting what: the big one: 83 mm (3.3") total length; 19 mm (0.71") head size; 25mm (1") exenter disc diameter; the small one: 55mm (2.2") overall length; 13mm (0.5") head size; 21 mm(0.82") exenter disc diameter. Hope this helps.

Jun 21, 2002 - 17:01 - From: Chad Uy
Title: Can't shift into 5th or reverse
Message: Can't shift into 5th or reverse. Is it cable and is it a major job?

Jun 22, 2002 - 18:53 - From: Doug
Title: various answers/help
Message: Hi All, just got back to town and yes catching up on the board takes some time :-) Tom, there is no longer ANY motor mechanisms from Lotus anywhere (confirmed by my local dealer who had to fabricate parts to fix one)!!! The idle is set by the computer in response to various sensor readings and is not changeable by a human. When you start the car be sure to wait with the ignition on a second or two before you engage the starter--this is to allow the IAC (Idle Air Control valve) to reset--a temporary high idle could be from this. If you CTS (see repair section) sensor is going out it will give you a high idle and needs to be fixed before things get worse. Also could be due to other sensors a bit off, engine timing out of whack, fouled plug(s), bad spark wire(s), dirty injector(s), or the likes. Paul, checkout www.LotusElan.net for info on older Elans. Steve, I have even sent my old rear rotor into a brake parts place and they measured it and found they could not cross reference it to anything!! Perhaps someone in Europe could do this for us, cause I agree it would be nice to get some quality rear replacement rotors! Chad, with both 5th and reverse out sounds like very improbable to be a transmission thing which is the good news--the bad news is it sounds like your crossgate cable needs hopefully adjusting (info on site and in manual) or at worst replacing (advice: do not replace just one, do them both if you are there)!

Jun 23, 2002 - 05:46 - From: Steve R
Title: The Rubber Bits.
Message: Hi Guys. I've had my '91 Elan SE for a few weeks now and everything fine performance wise. My main problem however is that I live in Wales and it rains an awful lot here. Yes you've guessed. My Elan leaks. I've had the hood off, cleaned and treated the whole mechanism but its the seals on the drivers (RHD) side that are the problem. White Dove in Cardiff wanted to charge me £60.00 just to have a look at it (I Politely Declined) and I cant seem to locate the part numbers. Any clues, hints or info much appreciated. If anyone is looking for reasonably priced insurance try DIRECT LINE.com. Ive got 5+ NCD, am 30 and I Pay £401 which includes breakdown. Didn't think this was too bad as I used to have a Mazda Xedos6 which cost me over £700 PA.

Jun 23, 2002 - 16:32 - From: Joshua Lawrence
Title: Aftermarket Boost gauges?
Message: Hi everyone, I currently have the dash panel removed from my Elan, and while I am installing stereo gear/replacing failed bulbs i thought it sure would be a nice time to replace my flaky electronic boost gauge! I figure this must have come up in the past, and wondered if anyone had found a nice replacement for their Elan yet? I was looking at some Autometer & VDO models which would no doubt physically fit and work, however they really don't look very stock as we have Red markings on a black faceplate. Is anyone aware of a model that would match our OEM instruments? I would like to replace this, as the electronic sending unit doesn't seem to work very well, and I have serious doubts as to its accuracy... TIA! Joshua Lawrence

Jun 23, 2002 - 21:39 - From: Mars
Title: Fuel tank replacement
Message: Noticed some recent postings regarding changing out fuel tanks. Can someone tell me which models need to be tested for leaks? I have the '94 limited edition Elan. Regards.....Mars

Jun 24, 2002 - 04:42 - From: Phil P
Title: Steering wheel badge
Message: Took my Elan to Le Mans 24hrs last week. Had a great time. The car didn't miss a beat on the journey. The whole event was fantastic. Unfortunately, whislt it was parked outside a Hyper Market with the roof down. Someone took the badge fronm the centre of the steering wheel. I have equired about a replacement but am told that I have to purchase a complete new horn push. Please does anyone know where I can obtain just the badge?? Many thanks - Phil

Jun 24, 2002 - 05:49 - From: Alan McNicol
Title: Oil pressure
Message: I'm getting a bit of noise from my tappets at cold starts. I realise that this not uncommon but what concerns me is that I get no indicated oil pressure for a second or two at startup (oil light is on, gauge reads zero) and, predictably, this correlates exactly with the noise... I'm not sure whether the oil pressure always took a little time to arrive and I only noticed when I started getting tappet noise or the oil pump has recently started performing less well (and I'm wearing the engine to bits at startup). Once I've got oil pressure the car runs perfectly and the oil pressure behaves normally. I use fully sythetic oil (Mobil 1, changed last week) and I've tried a couple of different viscosities... How quickly does the oil pressure come up typically? Any other thoughts/experiences?

Jun 24, 2002 - 07:11 - From: Rod
Title: Rear Proportioning Valve
Message: Can anyone that has changed a rear proportioning valve comment as to how they knew it needed changing ? I spotted a little leak from mine at the weekend, but just tightened up the connecting pipe a little and it appears fine now. I wonder if when they go wrong its always a leak, or perhaps you end up with no rear brakes as the pressure is applied incorrectly to the rear brakes ?

Jun 24, 2002 - 07:29 - From: Pete B.
Title: rubber spoiler lip
Message: Hi out there,will coming over to the U.K. in the near future and would really appreciate it if anyone can give me tips on where I can pick up the above at a bit less than the factory price,mine has kept the garage driveway clean for the last 3 years but looks the worse for wear,thank,s Pete....

Jun 24, 2002 - 15:19 - From: Mark
Title: brake valve
Message: Rod, I replaced mine recently. the left valve was leaking fluid and the connections were tight. Also the car was pulling a bit when i braked, which seemed to be consistent with one side of brakes not having the same presure as the other.

Jun 24, 2002 - 17:29 - From: Grant
Title: Fuel tank replacement
Message: Mars, don't quote me on this but it is my understanding that they are only doing the tests in the US this summer. But, I would recommend calling a Lotus Dealership as soon as possible to find out for sure, because the tanks are in limmited supply.

Jun 24, 2002 - 17:46 - From: Doug
Title: fuel tank
Message: FWIW, there's no mention in the service manual of any design changes or in the parts manual of any alternative parts, so all Elans (NA, SE, EEU, S2, USA) should share the same potential "defect."

Jun 24, 2002 - 18:07 - From: Emanuel
Title: escutcheon door release
Message: im from portugal and im trying to find escutcheon door release for each door parts number -b100v0006f and b100v005f , i have contacted some lotus dealers but this parts are out of produce , please i need help to find this parts i will appreciate for any help . thanks

Jun 24, 2002 - 19:21 - From: Mars
Title: Fuel tank
Message: Grant & Doug, ta for the tips. Will check this out and let you know. Regards.......Mars

Jun 24, 2002 - 20:56 - From: Mike
Title: Bumper (cont.)
Message: Richard, the sidemarker openings are indeted with rounded edges to accept the sidemarker light so it will fit flush. Therefore, making a proper opening is not possible without using a fabrication shop for who knows how much $. Per Lotus, the bumpers are Kia produced (see the Kia site and you'll notice the sidemarkers don't exist). Lotus suggests converting the front quarter panel to the European design and they have the part that will fit onto the opening, rather than flush with it (I would still have to make an opening if I chose this route) so it seems to have a larger margin for error. FYI, Lotus USA has a rear clamshell in stock but other major body parts such as the front shell, etc. will likely be outsourced for production in the future. There are probably an odd assortment of parts left at the factory but " they have to call" to find out what's available.

Jun 24, 2002 - 21:03 - From: Mike
Title: Fuel Tank
Message: I brought this question up before, but what, if anything, in the re-design/new materials of a replacement fuel tank will keep the problem from happening again? Mine was replaced by the former owner in 1999, so I guess I will cross my fingers.

Jun 24, 2002 - 21:10 - From: Mike W.
Title: Procedure for towing/hauling Elan?
Message: Has anyone knowledge/experience in towing an Elan and winching one up ramps to a flat-bed hauler? Where could a winch hook be safely connected? How to be secured to hauler bed? Hopefully, answers to above will never be needed, but better to know now. Thanks, Mike

Jun 24, 2002 - 22:13 - From: Doug
Title: tank, towing
Message: Mike #1, it's the same part, so yes it can recur, but hey we have admission that there is a problem--thus the likely 'reason' (among others) for not doing a "recall" was that then they'd have to re-engineer it and produce a superior part to really "fix" the defect!! Mike #2, I am going to trailer my Elan Friday 500 miles so I will get back to you for tips. I had it flatbedded once and can say that I'm pretty sure the chains used to haul it up on the flatbed chipped the paint under the front nose which has caused a large area to flake off since. You have to strap the chains to the frame at the suspension as there are no real tow/strap/pull points on the Elan. It's not the best idea but if you have no other choice then it is an easy one!

Jun 25, 2002 - 09:36 - From: keith g
Title: coolant reservoir
Message: My coolant tank has developed a small leak at the connection with the hose, is this a unique part or from something else available in the US? BTW, my car idles similarly to Tom's

Jun 25, 2002 - 11:32 - From: Dave M.
Title: coolant tank / alternate transportation
Message: Keith, when cleaning my coolant tank recently, I seem to remember a GM ID molded into the plastic (?). I would think taking this number to a GM dealer should help find a cross-reference. Just got back from a 750 mi trip on my CBR600 (the other, "other" set of wheels beside my Scooby) with my dad (Ninja 900R - yes, my dad). Apart from the "donor"cycle dangers, I got 60 mpg on one tank, it would smoke my Elan no matter what boost I end up running, and during the downpour we encountered, in my full raingear I stayed drier than I would have been in my Elan! ;) Part of me sure wanted the Elan after a while, though...can you say monkey-butt?!?

Jun 25, 2002 - 13:05 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: rain leaks
Message: I carry a towel in my Elan so my passengers don't get dripped on. Actually, they think it quite gentlemanly of me, as they can see the water dripping on me, yet they are dry under my towel. It's sort of a Sir Walter Raleigh thing. You should give it a try the next time you have a woman along!

Jun 25, 2002 - 16:49 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: thanks Doug
Message: This board truly loads 95% faster now that all that stuff is gone! PS - I'm having a resonator put on my Bill's Isuzuperformance exhaust. Will let the lot of you know the results, both sound and performance-wise.

Jun 25, 2002 - 17:58 - From: Tom
Title: Coolant Temp Sensor (CTS)
Message: Found that a 1991 Isuzu Impulse 16 Valve DOHC Turbo has the same CTS as the Elan. You can get it from Autozone.com The part number is Wells SU109.

Jun 26, 2002 - 03:59 - From: Kris
Title: Coolant Temp Sensor (CTS)/O2 Sensor
Message: Thanks Tom! I can't believe Autozone.com would be cheap, but there it is....Bosch O2 Sensor 13277.....$55.99....online sale only...that's $20.00 less than anyplace else I've found it! Bought them both...now let's see what happens.

Jun 26, 2002 - 06:05 - From: Geoff
Title: Elan Servicing
Message: Hello all, I am thinking of trying a new, closer, dealership for my upcoming A+C service. Does anyone have anything to say good/bad about Bell and Colvill near Guildford? If so, do you know how much you paid? Many thanks, Geoff.

Jun 26, 2002 - 08:05 - From: Chris
Title: Elan servicing
Message: Geoff, I've recently purchased an elan se. The previous owner raved about Bell & Colvill. Apparently they tried all the other dealers around that area (SGT, Nelmes etc) and found Bell & Colvill were the best. Looking back through the reciepts they look a bit pricey compared with an independant garage.

Jun 26, 2002 - 09:40 - From: Dave M.
Title: Isuzu parts
Message: Good find Tom (and Kris)! You bring up a good point that doesn't hurt to be made again. When searching for anything engine-related, try 1991 Isuzu Impulse RS (or go to the Isuzu dealer) parts first. Our car has the identical engine (the 4EX1-T) and should match up perfectly. If parts get into exhaust (after pre-cat), intercooler, intake (pre-turbo), or other ancilaries however, be careful. The Isuzu does differ in those areas. If you have a question, feel free to e-mail me. I have the Isuzu engine manual (www.helminc.com) and can cross-reference parts to see if they are the same.

Jun 26, 2002 - 13:15 - From: peter bentley
Title: brake valves..a solution ???
Message: despite tightening the pipes it still leaks, Tim at lakeside has suggested a brake proportioning valve from someone like demon tweeks, so that is exactly what i have done, it gets fitted on monday july 1st and once set can be locked into position. Hope this works as replacements are near to impossible to find. unless of course anyone has any better ideas/experience/info to tell ??

Jun 26, 2002 - 23:19 - From: randy
Title: timing belt
Message: I was talking to a local mechanic today, and he showed me two different publications. 1. Goodyear - Belts and Hoses for Passenger Cars 1981-1993. 2. AutoData Tech Series - Timing Belts. They both showed the Isuzu Impulse 1.6L engine as being an Interference Engine, eg. if the timing belt goes, there is high potential for internal damage.

Jun 27, 2002 - 09:42 - From: John
Title: BREMBO FRONT DISKS AND PADS + St/St BRADED BRAKE LINE SET
Message: I recently fitted Brembo Serie Oro front disks and pads and the st/st hoses sold by sjsportscars (part # SJ100J0006). No problems whatsoever fitting the stuff, which is working well. Braking performance is no more a problem, at last. The only thing is that I can't get a good feeling on the pedal, which travels quite a bit more now, despite bleeding twice. Ideas?

Jun 27, 2002 - 10:51 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: Hard to find car books
Message: I was having an impossible time finding a service manual for my Capri XR2 and a friend of mine turned me on to this site: www.books4cars.com ----- and they had what I needed. They also have 4 Elan books. Don't look for bargains here, but when you can't find it anywhere else, you very well might find it here.

Jun 27, 2002 - 12:13 - From: Tony V
Title: timing belt
Message: I will have to side with Randy....I had posted earlier in the month that we "thought" from everything we had seen that is was not an interference design. I would like to reiterate that my posting was based on what someone else had experienced...and that perhaps we should now discount it...and assume that it is an interference design. I would still like to see if someone has experienced this one way or the other. (Hopefully the non-damage way)

Jun 27, 2002 - 12:39 - From: Doug
Title: capri
Message: Trying not to make any jokes Matthew, but I parked the scooby next to a capri yesterday and realized now that when I see these cars I am reminded of you (funny these days cause I really don't know that much about you to remind me of?). But when I wish my Elan were more powerful I think of you too. Honestly those are the only times I think about you though.

Jun 27, 2002 - 14:28 - From: Ernesto
Title: Fuel tank leak
Message: I took my car to the local lotus dealer (los Gatos, California). They found that the tank leaked and quoted about $1,350 to replace it. I called Lotus USA to find out if they would pick up the cost of replacing it. They gave me the number of the field technician (I do not remember his name) and he told me that Lotus might pick up the cost of the tank, but not of the labor to replace it. When I called my lotus dealer they said that the cost of the tank was about $200, and that I still had to pay about $1,100 in labor. I thought that the labor time associated with replacing the tank was about 2 hours. Does any one have any information on this? Thank you.

Jun 27, 2002 - 14:57 - From: Dave M.
Title: All About Matt
Message: Weird, but I saw a Capri yesterday and thought of Matt, too. It sure wasn't because of the "0-60 in 5 minutes" bumper sticker it was wearing, though I did get a chuckle. Maybe I could get one for my Scooby... Ernesto, the labor quote sounds like a shafting of enormous proportions. The job shouldn't take 15-20 hours (I'm guessing at the rate they are gouging you at). Besides, Lotus should pick up the whole bill, not just parts.

Jun 27, 2002 - 15:02 - From: Richard Steele
Title: Re: Rear Proportioning Valve / Coolant Tank
Message: Rod, My RH (drivers side) proportioning valve had the odd drop around the pipe connection and tightening didn't stop it so I changed it. Didn't notice any difference in braking with the leak. Coolant tank - I have Vauxhall Nova listed in my notes, I thought I had the GM code but can't find it. When you take yours out can you take a note of the GM number and let Doug know.

Jun 27, 2002 - 15:12 - From: Richard Steele
Title: Re: Rubber spoiler lip
Message: Pete B, the supplier is Walker Rubber and Plastics Limited, Extrusion/Moulding Department, 21-23 Burnet Road, Sweetbriar Industrial Estate, Norwich, NR 2BS Tel 01603 415044, Fax 01603 406502. Part Number A2341 DCM (not sure of last character but it looks like an M), ask for Mick and explain that its off a Lotus Elan.

Jun 27, 2002 - 15:12 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: Fuel Tank - corporate runaround
Message: Regarding the letter I sent Lotus USA, Dave Simpkin, (714)348-1614, called me today and said that only 6 or 7 cars out of the thousands of Elans produced had experienced cracked fuel tanks; not enough to warrant a liability on the part of Lotus Cars. He said the only reason they are testing the car's tanks for leaks is to determine if they need to make another production run of fuel tanks. However, in the same conversation he said that if Lotus determined warranty work were called for they would only reimburse the owners $188 (the cost of the gas tank) plus 2.5 hours labor. I paid 4 hours labor and $258 for my fuel tank, so was my dealer just ripping me off? It appears that we are getting the shaft from all over the place, because I got a different story from this SAME gentleman only 2 months ago. Also, his claim of only 6 or 7 leaking tanks is simply ludicrous! Doug, is there any way you can set up a site on the board for owners to put their names and VIN numbers if they have experienced a cracked or leaking fuel tank (from ANYWHERE in the world, not just the USA)? I think the only way we can make a case to Lotus or the NHTSB is to gather together our own facts, as I think Lotus is trying to sweep this under the rug as quickly as they can to avoid the cost of paying their supplier for another production run of tanks.

Jun 27, 2002 - 15:19 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: Capri
Message: I feel I must defend my little XR2, which by the way is the turbo model with a Car & Driver 0-60 time of 7.3 seconds. It is a nice little car and I am getting a quote on the exhaust tomorrow, which should speed things up considerably. I have already detailed the engine & had a nice tan German fabric top custom made and installed on it. It is quite the looker and I have received many favorable comments in the short time I've owned the car. Man, you guys sure are making me feel defensive. Must every car be a Lotus? I might dust one of you in my XR2 at 16psi of boost someday. Then what will you say?!!!! :-)

Jun 27, 2002 - 16:26 - From: Doug
Title: Capri turbo
Message: Matt, sorry to rub salt on your wounds, but I think my comment would be, "cool, but let's go kick some A$$ in your Elan!!" Sounds like a boosted turbo capri may be faster to 60 than a stock Elan?? I can think of volumes of other cars I would want the capri over anyday . . .

Jun 27, 2002 - 16:36 - From: Ernesto
Title: Fuel Tank - corporate runaround
Message: I also talked to Dave Simpkin and he told me that there are no more replacement fuel tanks in the USA, and that he is expecting to receive some early next week. He also mentioned that Lotus called some lotus owners and offer to check their cars for leaky fuel tanks, but this was for a selected group. He further said that Lotus does not have to cover the cost of the tank since the car is out of warranty. But as a special gesture he might provide me with a new tank at no cost, I only have to pay for the labor to replace it.

Jun 27, 2002 - 19:01 - From: Grant
Title: Re: Rubber spoiler lip
Message: Does anyone know how to get a hold of a rubber spoiler lip and retaining strip here in the US? Mine had seen better days so I spent last evening with a can of rust breaker and a vice grip. all of the screw heads were corroded away so a screwdriver was not an option. Thanks! Grant

Jun 28, 2002 - 01:16 - From: PETE
Title: rubber lip
Message: Richard,thank,s for the address,Cheers Pete

Jun 28, 2002 - 05:02 - From: jeremy
Title: coolant tank
Message: Richard,.. did you say the coolant tank off a nova? If this is the case, I'm sure there are alloy replacements made for novas for the max power boys. Do you think these would fit?

Jun 28, 2002 - 05:03 - From: jeremy
Title: coolant tank
Message: Richard,.. did you say the coolant tank off a nova? If this is the case, I'm sure there are alloy replacements made for novas for the max power boys. Do you think these would fit?

Jun 28, 2002 - 05:04 - From: jeremy
Title: bugger!
Message: as above

Jun 28, 2002 - 08:06 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: fuel tank, warranty, legal issues
Message: If you check the NHTSB site, you will see where it says that regardless of the age of a vehicle, a manufacturer is responsible for PERSONAL SAFETY DEFECTS pertaining to their product. A leaking fuel tank IS a personal safety defect, as gasoline "go boom". Lotus knows this, but is trying to dance around the issue by giving the standard line that the car is too old for them to be liable anymore, when in fact this is not the case because of the nature of the problem. God forbid, let someone burn to death or blow up because of this problem, and a lawyer would have a field day with all the posts on this board we have had with Dave Simpkin alone, much less other people who work for Lotus that have given us the runaround. THEY ARE LIABLE FOR THIS, at least in America with our legal system. Are there any lawyers out there within our group who would be willing to send off a letter to Lotus? We are being bamboozled in the biggest way.

Jun 28, 2002 - 08:51 - From: Dave M.
Title: brakes are done
Message: Dremel + caliper bracket + AP rotors = finished. Ready for the intake pipes (to turbo and lower IC pipe) to be slightly modified, then it's tighten LOTS of things up, add fluids, and ROLL! Next week... Matt, I'll see your 16 psi and raise you 9 (well, someday soon I will!). ;) I like the Capri if for no other reason than I think of the Elan when I see one from the front.

Jun 28, 2002 - 09:34 - From: Dave Pio
Title: Turbo Problems
Message: Hi all Just to let yee know, I solved the problems I was having with the turbo on 9’1 Elan SE, when it would not go above 0.1bar and the engine rpm max was 4,000rpm. Guess what it was, ECU test returned 12 (no faults), Cam Angle Sensor was fine…..it was a simple blockage between down-pipe and CAT under the engine which had to be removed and cleaned out. Does this problem sound familiar to anyone? Thanks for your help everybody Oh this isn’t my lucky month...hit and ran over a fox (unavoidable) in Sweden driving from Brussels (Belgium) to Stockholm (Sweden) last weekend, a small bit of lower front spoiler is fractured, plus the radiator lower right corner need repair. Lotus Hethel in UK have some replacement Radiators in stock @ UK£500/US$750..way to expensive, luckily found a place that does full repairs to damaged radiators for a fraction of the cost. I don’t have the Elan Garage Service Manual, but is the Radiators for the Elan 91 SE specially made or still produced for other unknown cars, (guy in Hethel could not answer that)? Cheers Dave

Jun 28, 2002 - 10:46 - From: Matthew Welsh
Title: Dave, clogged exhaust
Message: It is not uncommon for a catalytic converter to become clogged as they are made of a very fine ceramic mesh. Think of a screen door (at least the ones we have here in Florida to keep the insects out) and you'll have an idea how fine a mesh I'm speaking of. This can act like a strainer and "hold" items in suspension that would otherwise have passed through your exhaust system. I have seen converters I have personally removed over 75% clogged. That was on a car with around 80,000 miles on it.

Jun 28, 2002 - 13:16 - From: Dan
Title: Gas Tank
Message: About a year and a half ago I had my leaking fuel tank replaced - Lotus provided the "no cost" tank(list price was about $500) and I paid the local dealer (Midwest Auto Group in Columbus OH) about $500 for labor[also had fuel filter replaced while the system was de-pressurized]. Doug - it would be interesting to start a log of tank replacements, VIN numbers and cost for parts/labor.....I'm sure we could exceed the stated "6 or 7" tanks.

Jun 28, 2002 - 14:40 - From: Ernesto
Title: Fuel Tank
Message: I agree with the idea of creating a log for the tank replacement, and the current owners who are experiencing the problem. I think that the log should contain the VIN#, the location, the phone #, and status (if it was replaced or not). I just talked to a lawyer and he told me that the more people that have had this problem, the better chance to get Lotus to cover the cost of replacing the tank. He also mentioned to talk to the product safety commission, which might help put some pressure to Lotus. I am especially interested since my dealer wants to charge me over $1,000 to replace my tank.

Jun 28, 2002 - 14:50 - From: Ernesto
Title: Fuel tank
Message: I just talked to an agent at the product safety commission and they cannot help. They do not deal with automobile issues. They referred me to NHTSB.

Jun 28, 2002 - 16:00 - From: Dave Pio
Title: Turbo
Message: Thanks Matt for the Info. It sad to say I never ran a car for more than 50,000miles/80,000km so never came accross the problem before..does give a new lease of life to the car do.. Have a good weekend all Dave

Jun 28, 2002 - 16:42 - From: Doug
Title: Tank Leak List
Message: Guys, I have the page in the works! Great idea, and thanks for the content suggestions--expect it early next week. I bet we can log more than 20 Elans . . .

Jun 28, 2002 - 17:44 - From: Rod
Title: Fuel Tanks
Message: Great idea to create a log of cars that have had tanks replaced, would also be interested in location of car - as its real odd that I have not heard of a UK car thats had a tank replaced.

Jun 28, 2002 - 19:26 - From: Doug
Title: leak
Message: Rod, I remember 1 or 2 at least from your side. Check the olist and archives to track them down.

Jun 29, 2002 - 01:36 - From: Mark
Title: gas tank
Message: what part of the tank springs the leak?

Jun 29, 2002 - 12:34 - From: Mark Lyon
Title: Rebuild
Message: I have been asked to rebuild a 1968 Elan. This car was dismantled about 10 years ago and put into boxes marked Lotus. The workshop manual does not go into enough detail as every nut and bolt has been removed including window winding mechs. I would like to talk to people who have been or who are in the same situation

Jun 29, 2002 - 15:47 - From: Guillermo
Title: gas tank
Message: Mark, mine did open on the LHD side, about 4" below where the fill hose is fixed. The leaks where two stripes about 2" long and were like if someone had them cut in, a very clean cut.

Jun 29, 2002 - 17:27 - From: Scott
Title: Looks like Bill is getting out of OUR business....
Message: Hey guys. I was reading Bill's Isuzu mailing list and this is part of what he posted yesterday: "I have started the process of whittling down the Isuzu, Storm, and Elan parts that are to be discontinued. I am starting with all headers and most of the exhaust systems. Anything I don't happen to have on hand at this time I have to consider no longer available, because I can not justify the expense of any more production runs....It is sad, but the reality is that my priorities have shifted in the last month and I am going to have to do something that will pay the bills....I am going to switch over to concentrate 100% on Chevrolet and Pontiac headers and exhaust systems." Now, I have spoke with Bill in person and have always wondered how he managed to make a "living" catering to such a niche market. Sounds as if the writing is on the wall. I hope he does not forget us completely. And I don't mean that as a Lotus owner who doesn't want a supplier to dry up. I mean it because I believe he is worth knowing. -Scott

Jun 30, 2002 - 17:17 - From: Tony V
Title: Rebuilding 1968 Elan?
Message: I think you would be better served by going to http://www.yahoogroups.com and joining the lotuselan group. Far be it from me to say that this list could not help you in some way..but this is really a list for the M100 or later Elan. I have owned 4 or 5 of the old elans..and could probably put one together without a manual. You will find people of the same ilk on the Yahoo group.

Jun 30, 2002 - 18:24 - From: Tom
Title: Throttle Positioning Sensor (TPS)
Message: Would anyone know of a part number and a source for a 1991 Elan TPS?

Jun 30, 2002 - 18:41 - From: James E. Manson
Title: Bringing my M100 back to life
Message: In May '01 I did an off at turn 8 at Watkins Glen and went sideways into the right wall. It is on the road again, but I need some help finding some minor parts, like the insides of the outside mirror. I'd like any info on where that mirror came from (car make, model?) to aid in a search for tiny screws that are used to adjust the angle of the mirror thru the action of motor-driven nuts. I've replaced the glass, but those tiny "worm" screws with special snap-in heads. I figure the best bet would be to get a damaged mirror assy that still has these inside? Any info welcomed. TIA, Jim M.

Jun 30, 2002 - 19:38 - From: Kris
Title: Throttle Position Sensor (TPS)
Message: Hey Tom...try autozone.com using the 1991 Isuzu Impulse RS...(same engine as ours). WELLS #TPS121   $23.99. The Lotus part # looks to be A100E6432S.

Jun 30, 2002 - 19:49 - From: Kris
Title: OOPs...TPS
Message: Hold on Tom...I jumped the gun...Just reread Matthew W & Bill L's postings from 7 Jun '02...so if the throttle body is different, does anybody know if the TPS is also different between the Impulse and Elan? If so, I bought the wrong part :( ...